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I'm sure you're aware that there are many arguments against Delena; why they shouldn't be together, why it wouldn't work out, why Elena will choose Stefan in the end. These arguments have been bothering me for a long time, especially when I realised that there was no factual basis to back them up, relying instead on what would probably happen. I came up with nine Antwort to the nine arguments I thought were commonly used. They are all arguments I've heard used Von people, I did not make them up. If Du Liebe SE and BD and are here Von some accident (I know it can happen), oder if Du don't ship anyone in particular but don't think DE should be together (I know these people exist); please don't post pro-SE comments. It doesn't prove anything and only stirs up trouble and ill feeling towards SE/BD shippers. Obviously I Liebe Delena but I try to be as fair as possible when Schreiben about other couples and characters. It's fine if Du disagree with my points regarding SE and the Liebe dreieck and anything else I've mentioned here; constructive criticism is welcomed, bashing is not.

1. They assume that Elena will end up with Stefan because she fell in Liebe with him first.

This is purely speculative and one-sided, seeing as Elena and Damon aren't a couple yet. How can we decide who Elena ends up with when she's only had one serious relationship so far, with Stefan? We can't judge fairly when Elena hasn't got together with Damon yet. We don't know what kind of relationship they'll have, how it will affect them, how it will impact their development as characters.
This argument refuses to take the Liebe dreieck into account, and that in order for a Liebe dreieck to exist, the girl in the middle has to be torn between two loves.

2. They assume DE won't last long.

I find this a huge insult to the fanbase as well as the writers who are building DE's relationship, and Delena themselves. For the audience, half of the fun lies in the excitement of watching a relationship unfold - where the journey takes them, not the destination itself. So when people say that DE won't last long after watching the development of their friendship, their ups and downs, Damon falling in Liebe with Elena, the break down of their friendship, Damon confessing how he feels about her and then erasing her memory, his attempts to protect her in spite of her hostility towards him and whatever follows that - then I find it ironic. If DE aren't meant to last, then the writers wouldn't be so painstakingly slow in their approach to DE, scene Von scene, episode Von episode. Sometimes even scenes which don't feature Damon and Elena exclusively (like the "I'll protect her" moment in 'Masquerade', the hug between SE in 'Rose' and the hook-up between Damon and Rose in 'Katerina') are about DE. Unlike SE, Delena's relationship hasn't been rushed, which makes them Mehr likely to last the length of the series, NOT less.

3. They assume Damon will find another girl and fall in Liebe with her.

I think anybody who truly understands the nature of Damon's character and how deeply he loves would hate this argument oder at least be offended Von it. Damon stayed faithful to Katherine for 145 years, refusing to give up on her. What makes them think he'll Liebe Elena any less just because (for the moment) she's currently tied up with Stefan? They seem to think Damon is a flighty character who falls in and out of Liebe as quickly as turning a light switch on and off. According to everything we've seen and know about Damon, the idea that he would just find another girl and fall as deeply in Liebe with her as he did with Elena is an insult to him and to us. It puts him on the same level as a celebrity couple who appear in magazines raving about how in Liebe they are, teilt, split up, find another relationship and do the same thing all over again. While there will be other girls (like Rose) and 'hot hook-ups' they are nothing Mehr than diversions for Damon as we saw in 2x09 'Katerina'. They are there to block out his true feelings for Elena, oder to offer a temporary escape from reality but they can't give him what he wants and needs. Nor can they make him forget that he loves Elena. The pain and loneliness he wants to block out is still going to be there the Weiter day.
I suspect that those who are fond of using this argument have an ulterior motive: to promote their ship of choice: SE oder Bamon.

4. They compare the dreieck in the Zeigen to the one in the 'Twilight' saga. So if Elena = Bella, Stefan = Edward, and Damon = Jacob, then just like in the saga, Elena will choose Edward (Stefan).

I find this comparison completely unimaginative and idiotic. It's not that I have anything against 'Twilight'. It's just that their argument is based on the assumption that 'The Vampire Diaries' must be the same as 'Twilight' simply because it features Vampire and a Liebe triangle. The mythology is different, the characters are different, and the dynamic between Damon, Elena and Stefan are completely different. So how can it be the same?

I understand why people would cast Stefan as Edward; he certainly seems to quite similar in some ways. He's also the brother Elena falls in Liebe with first, which accounts for a huge part of reasoning behind this argument. But I think that in the light of Kürzlich episodes, Du might be surprised when Du study Damon and Edward side Von side. Stefan has done a lot of things to protect Elena, but he has not done the one thing that Damon and Edward have: let the girl they loved go because they believed she would ultimately be better off.
In 'New Moon', Edward lies to Bella, telling her all kinds of things to make her believe he doesn't want to be with her anymore. He takes (or hides) the CD he gave to her and her photographs so Bella won't have anything to remind her of the time they had together, thinking it will be easier for her to Bewegen on without them. In 'The Vampire Diaries' Damon tells Elena he loves her, then compels her to forget it happened, so she won't have to deal with it at all. I am not suggesting Damon is the same as Edward; my point is that Damon is a complex character. Sticking him in the role of Jacob does not do him justice when he arguably possesses a combination of traits seen in Edward and Jacob. Furthermore, to suggest that Damon will end up with someone else like Jacob did in the saga isn't following the way the Liebe dreieck in the Zeigen is developing. Bella never really had a romantic relationship with Jacob in the saga. It might have developed with time if she hadn't ran off to Italy to rescue Edward in 'New Moon'. If Edward had never left, it's unlikely that Bella would ever have grown to need (and love) Jacob the way she did. Not for one moment when I was Lesen 'Eclipse' did I think Bella would turn around and choose Jacob, so it wasn't a very convincing Liebe dreieck in the sense that I always knew who Bella would choose before the ending. I feel that people are too quick to compare the Zeigen to 'Twilight' and in jumping to a conclusion which hasn't even come close to being reached in the show.

5, They argue that if DE ever get together, then it will mess up Stefan and Damon's friendship/bond as brothers.

Wasn't the Salvatore brothers friendship already messed up long before either of them had set eyes on Elena? And hasn't Elena actually helped them to get along thus far, not (like some have presumed) made things worse? Haven't Stefan and Damon agreed to work together to protect Elena, teaming up to fight Katherine and anyone else who's a threat to her safety? Haven't they reached a new understanding, when Stefan apologised to Damon for forcing him to turn? And most importantly, hasn't Damon proved he might be the Mehr selfless brother Von stepping out of the contest for Elena's heart? It won't always be this way, but the dreieck is so different from the one that happened in 1864. Elena genuinely cares about them both, and as a result, Damon and Stefan have forged a new bond in spite of the fact that Stefan knows that Damon loves Elena. The truth is, without Elena, this new alliance between the brothers would not have been possible.

6. They claim that Von falling in Liebe with Damon, Elena will be just 'another Katherine'.

This is completely far-fetched and illogical, when we all know Katherine enjoyed stringing Damon along. She loved having two brothers vying for her attentions, and played it to her advantage, gloating that "I'm the one who gets to make all the rules...because I'm spoiled." The fact that she was wreaking havoc on Damon and Stefan's relationship didn't matter to her in the least. In order for Elena to be like Katherine, she would have to adopt the same selfish, manipulative, lying, murderous behaviour. Loving Damon in itself isn't going to do it. The writers have emphasised over and over how different Elena is to Katherine - that's why Stefan fell in Liebe with her, she was a better version of Katherine. I find it odd that it's only when it comes to Damon that the comparison to Katherine pops up. Doesn't Elena Liebe Stefan, just as Katherine does, even echoing her almost word for word in 'The Return': "It'll always be Stefan"? If loving the same guy as her lookalike doesn't make Elena the same as her, why does it apply to Damon, when we all know Katherine didn't Liebe him in the first place?
Elena would have to do a lot of evil things before she could be put in the same box as Katherine, including tearing the brothers apart; but she has actually helped to heal Damon and Stefan's rift. She cares about both of them, and would never deliberately play them against each other so I don't see how falling in Liebe with Damon means that she is the same as Katherine.

7. They argue that SE are the 'main couple' of the show, whereas DE are the supporting act, oder for entertainment value only.
"It wouldn't make sense if they built the Liebe story for SE just to give us DE in the end."

Du can turn this argument round and say exactly the same thing about DE. What's the point in taking all these episodes/seasons to build their relationship if it's only going to end with SE anyway? In fact, this argument makes a lot Mehr sense for DE, considering that it's taking much longer for DE to get together. SE got together in 10 episodes.
Most of Du know that DE won a place on E!Online's 'Couples We Love' gallery, with 83 percent of votes. SE may have been a couple before Delena, but that does not mean that the majority of viewers are fascinated with SE. If SE really were 'the main couple', they would have won the poll.

8. They assume Elena will choose Stefan because he's the good guy.

I think the reason why this argument tends to get thrown around a lot might be due to the fact that Damon is supposed to be the 'bad' brother whereas Stefan is seen as the 'good' one. In these types of stories, the girl usually goes for the good guy, not the anti-hero.

When the Zeigen began, Stefan was certainly presented as the good brother, while Damon was the bad one who stirred up trouble, messing with Caroline, Vicki, pretty much anyone who got in his way. But as the Zeigen went on, I think the distinction between which brother was good and which was bad became Mehr and Mehr blurry. In order to understand who Damon and Stefan really are, Du have to look into their past and see the people and events that shaped them into what they became, and who they are now. The trouble is, we don't know very much about Stefan's life after he became a vampire. We don't know what made him give up drinking human blood. But we have a vague idea from his conversations with Lexi in '162 Candles' and Mehr recently during the car journey with Damon in 'Rose' that he was a different person back then.

Damon: Remember the days when all Du lived for was blood? Du were the guy who would rip someone apart just for the fun of it?

Stefan: Du mean when I was Mehr like you?

From what we can gather here, there is clearly a much darker side to Stefan that we don't know about, and Elena doesn't know about. There are obviously things about his life that Stefan can't tell her, probably because he's worried what her reaction would be, so he feels he has to keep that side of him hidden from her. Perhaps in the end, there is not much difference between Stefan and Damon, oder at any rate, less than we think there is. The only thing that sets Stefan above Damon in the good behaviour rank is that he found his humanity a lot earlier than Damon did.

I think there is definitely another side of Damon we don't know about. In 'The Return', Katherine calls him "my sweet, innocent Damon" but at the time I wondered if she was only being sarcastic. Then in 'Masquerade' she asks "What happened to Du Damon? Du used to be so sweet and polite." He Antworten "That Damon died a long time ago." Sweet? Innocent? Polite? Damon?! Hard to believe, isn't it? While we can only speculate what might have happened to the Damon who was innocent and sweet, and what happened to Stefan who wasn't as in touch with his humanity as he is now but found it again, we would be entirely deceived to label one brother wholly good and the other wholly bad.

How does this all fit into the Liebe triangle? Well, Du could argue that in a way, Elena has already chosen Damon. Not in the romantic sense - at least, not yet. But she cares about him enough to jump in and save him when his life is in danger after he'd done something terrible to her. This is particularly poignant in 'Brave New World'. She hates him. She can barely look at him, talk to him oder hear his name mentioned in conversations. But she stopped Bonnie from burning him to death when someone else in her shoes might have been tempted to stand back. Why? Because it was the right thing to do? Because she wasn't about to seek revenge on him even though he probably deserved it? Yes and yes, but there's more. If Elena didn't see something good in Damon, if she didn't feel something for him, then she wouldn't have any reason to save him. Because going after Jeremy in a blind rage was one of the worst things Damon could have done to her, and Elena knows it. Du can't go any lower than that. Elena is either the most righteous human being who's walked the earth since Mother Teresa, oder she feels something for Damon which prevents her from standing back oder walking away.

9. They assume they already know how the story will end.

How many times have Du seen something like this: "I enjoy DE's scenes. But it will be Stefan and Elena in the end."

I believe that the main reason why people go for SE as endgame is because they seem like the safest option. I doubt that SE shippers would throw a tantrum if Elena chose Damon in the end, because even some of them can see that DE have something intriguing. One SE shipper told me that she preferred SE simply because she thought they were 'cuter'. 'Cute' is an adjective that describes SE very well, and is why they appeal to many people. But if people are claiming that SE will be endgame already, it's because they are complacent about the state of SE's relationship, and how it will be in the future. In a sense, they are taking it for granted that nothing will come between SE; not Katherine, not Damon, not anyone. If they are so sure of SE's future, then it means the relationship has never gegeben them any reason to doubt how it could be otherwise. So of course people will say they will end up together, their relationship has never been pushed to breaking point. Sure, they've been through dark times and rough patches; Stefan fell off his animal blood diet and lied to Elena and had to be locked in the cellar. But even Katherine's threats weren't enough to cause serious damage. Through it all, they've remained loyal to each other to the very end. So much so that we've never had to wonder if their relationship will live to see another day. They staged a break-up in order to stay together. When they teilt, split up for real, it wasn't because they wanted to, it was for the sake of the people Elena loved so...does that even count?! If people assume that SE will be endgame, then maybe SE have never truly been challenged in their relationship. If SE have never really had to fight to save their love, then maybe they are not the couple people think they are.

SE might be 'cute' together, but they do not live on the edge where it's dangerous and unpredictable, irrational and terrifying to Liebe someone else and want to be with them so much Du would be desperate enough to do anything, no matter how stupid and reckless it might be. When Du know Du should get the heck away to somewhere safe, sicher but try as Du might, Du just can't. When you're in such a vulnerable place, Du know if your Liebe is real and how strong it is. But if you've never been there, Du can never really know. People might think SE have a solid relationship when in fact, they've never had to endure any trials oder hardships which pushed them until they were right on the edge.

Earlier in the year, a lot of DE shippers were bemoaning the fact that Kevin and Julie were Singen the praises of SE. Kevin called them 'soulmates,' and Julie raved that SE were the "True, epic Liebe story of the show." Fast vorwärts-, nach vorn a few months, and Kevin is apparently saying something quite different, stating "You don't always end up with your soulmate" (whatever that means). Does it sound like Kevin and Julie have made up their minds about who will end up with whom? Unless Du can see into the future, know Kevin and Julie personally, and they've already written Seasons 3,4 and 5, Du can't assume Du already know how the story will end. If it's one thing that keeps the audience on their toes, it's never knowing what will happen. And even if Du could see into the future and know what the ending is, would Du really want to? It would be like watching the end of a movie at the beginning. It would spoil your enjoyment and take away the anticipation which makes the Zeigen so addictive. If the ending of 'The Vampire Diaries' was easy to predict, then we wouldn't have a show.
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I Liebe both characters. I may not agree with every decision he makes, but Damon is easily my fave character. I absolutely adore Elena and she comes in a close second.

I find her very underrated amongst the fandom and it’s perhaps because she has no Supernatural powers (considering how nobody gave a shit about Caroline till season 2.) But I actually find her Mehr interesting and Mehr complex than someone like Katherine. This girl carries the weight of the world on her shoulders. She’s smart, brave, and has a herz the size of Texas. I think mentally, she’s the strongest character on the...
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In contrast to other shippers' opinion,Damon's Thank You after Elena kissed him wasn't only meant for the KISS itself she gave him,but in my opinion,her trust in him.Thanks for telling that she likes(and loves)him the way he is,that he doesn't have to change for anyone.That he knows there's a person who likes him because of his true character and isn't obsessive trying to change him,but nevertheless DOES. Thanks for her understanding for his behavior,his feelings and most of all for revealing his humanity.Instead of giving up on him,Elena always tried to break the shell,the stone Wand which...
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What is a phenomenon? The oxford Concise English Dictionary describes a phenomenon as "a fact oder situation that is observed to exist oder happen, especially one whose cause is in question", and "a remarkable person oder thing." I think Delena are a phenomenon, oder are becoming one. Of course, while it's true that DE have many Fans - the biggest number of Fans from all the ships on the Zeigen - it's also a fact that there are others who are strongly opposed to DE. It's been claimed Von other fandoms that DE shippers refuse to acknowledge the potential for other ships, and are too caught up in their...
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This is my first article, but I just had to post my thoughts about the latest episode, *Klaus*.

I thought this episode was ok for it being informative, but it irked me with the way some of the characters were acting.

I absolutely loved Elijah in this episode, past & present day. Some others may say he's like Stefan when it comes to comparing his history with Klaus with Stefan/Damon's, but I don't. I also loved Elijah/Katherine scenes, maybe even ship them a little bit.

I loved Katherine having fun with bourbon too & Damon giving her vervain.

Now, what annoyed me the most in this whole...
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posted by yasmeen40
Damon : But it has to be right Elena , Its true that I can't stay away from Du because I Liebe Du and I can't bare to not see Du every Tag oder even fight with Du , the thing that matters is that I'll keep Du safe, sicher weather Du wanted it oder not nothing Mehr ..while he was crying and trying to hide it. Elena was torn inside Von now she couldn't let him be her friend and nothing Mehr , she felt guilty for not letting him be with her instead of Stefan .. but just then she was welling to do anything to make Damon happy so she asked him : what can I do ? just tell me what Du want me to do right...
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Elena opens her big expressive Schokolade eyes. She slowly looks around
in the black darkness. Elena couldn't make out where she was oder remember
how she got here.

Elena's head was throbbimg with a sharp pain. She could feel the now
dried blood upon her elagant face. Elena tried to call out for Damon
but her normally serene voice eluded her.

"Damon..." she sagte in her most weak attempt. Her now almost kastanie
colored eyes slowly searched the blackness. Elena's eyes slightly adjusted
to the darkness. Elena had a forboding feeling that eyes were watching
her although she couldn't see them. She shivered...
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Yes, another Bamon thing but here's my opinion.

Damon liked Elena, heck she liked him too but he fell in Liebe first. Now ask yourselves this (LJ too) why make Elena admit she loves Damon in SS only to have him suddenly fall for Bonnie? In the books,I like Matt/Bonnie, so who would he be with? The guy needs someone he's been through a lot too, and somehow I can't imagine Damon with Bonnie long. here's why

She cries and whines a lot (no offense).Yes,she feels pressure with having witch powers but she faints and screams at the slightest thing. Can Du picture Damon tolerating that for long? He'd...
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If Du watched the interaction between Delena in episode 2x03, it's likely Du will fall into one of two camps: those who lament Elena's aloofness towards Damon, oder those who think that actually, Elena is perfectly justified in giving Damon the ice-cold treatment.
I don't think the Fans who fall into the first category are under any illusion that what Damon did was twisted and evil; nor do I think they would want to downplay his actions oder think Elena should forgive him at the drop of a hat. If Elena did that, then it wouldn't make her credible as a character, and it would make what Damon did...
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Nina Dobrev
Nina Dobrev (born January 9, 1989) is a Bulgarian-Canadian actress currently living in Canada. She played the role Mia Jones, the single mother on Degrassi: The Weiter Generation since the show’s sixth season. She’s currently starring as Elena Gilbert in the upcoming TV series The Vampire Diaries.
Dobrev moved to Canada at the age of two and has lived in Toronto, Ontario, since then. From a very young age she showed great enthusiasm and talent for the arts: dance, gymnastics, theater, music, visual arts, and acting. Dobrev attended the Dean Armstrong Schauspielen school where she was discovered...
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Title: To Helen [Poem of Youth]
Author: Edgar Allan Poe [More Titles Von Poe]

HELEN, thy beauty is to me
Like those Nicean barks of yore,
That gently, o'er a perfumed sea,
The weary way-worn wanderer bore
To his own native shore.

On desperate seas long wont to roam,
Thy hyacinth hair, thy classic face,
Thy Naiad airs have brought me home
To the glory that was Greece,
And the grandeur that was Rome.

Lo ! in yon brilliant window-niche
How statue-like I me thee stand,
The agate lamp within thy hand!
Ah, Psyche, from the regions which
Are Holy-land !






-THE END-
Edgar Allan Poe's poem: To Helen [Poem of Youth]
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I believe that if Du pay close attention, you'll see that there are many parallels regarding scenes, songs and Zitate which are too numerous oder meaningful to just be coincedental.

The Pilot

When Bonnie and Elena are in the car, and Bonnie is telling Elena she's psychic, Elena challenges her to "Predict something about me."
Bonnie: "I see..."
(A krähe hits the windshield.)

Bonnie: When I touched you, I saw a crow.
Elena: What?
Bonnie: A crow. There was fog...and a man.


Damon is always saving Elena -
He picked her up and carried her away from the crash in 1x11.
He picked her up and carried her to Stefan...
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Seven months ago, when the DE fandom was struggling to find their way out of the pit of doubt and despair which the writers had happily thrown them into; I published an Artikel voicing my concerns about Kevin and Julie's 'hot and cold' approach to Delena, and on their insistence that Damon had to apparently become 'worthy' of Elena before their relationship could be considered. link
It looked like Kevin and Julie had doomed Delena before they had even begun. What were the chances that Damon would ever settle down and learn how to be 'good'? "He screwed up...Everyone loves Damon but he's not...
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Ok so I was just randomly listening to the 2 songs off the TVD soundtrack from episode 1x01 and 3x19...and I noticed something that blew my mind. I just thought I'd share it. We all know how influential the Musik can be as far as foreshadowing goes. This analysis just furthers my belief that Delena were meant to be all along and from the very beginning.

So when Elena is going to the cemetery in the very first episode of season 1, unbeknownst to her, Damon is hiding in the fog watching her. While this is going on, the song in the background (Say All I Need Von One Republic) has lyrics that go "All I need is the air I breathe, and a place to rest my head."

In season 3 episode 19, Damon and Elena finally KISS passionately. The accompanying song (Never Let Me Go Von Florence and The Machine) has a verse that says "I found the place to rest my head."

I see what Du did there TVD crew :-)
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