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I'm sure you're aware that there are many arguments against Delena; why they shouldn't be together, why it wouldn't work out, why Elena will choose Stefan in the end. These arguments have been bothering me for a long time, especially when I realised that there was no factual basis to back them up, relying instead on what would probably happen. I came up with nine Antwort to the nine arguments I thought were commonly used. They are all arguments I've heard used Von people, I did not make them up. If Du Liebe SE and BD and are here Von some accident (I know it can happen), oder if Du don't ship anyone in particular but don't think DE should be together (I know these people exist); please don't post pro-SE comments. It doesn't prove anything and only stirs up trouble and ill feeling towards SE/BD shippers. Obviously I Liebe Delena but I try to be as fair as possible when Schreiben about other couples and characters. It's fine if Du disagree with my points regarding SE and the Liebe dreieck and anything else I've mentioned here; constructive criticism is welcomed, bashing is not.

1. They assume that Elena will end up with Stefan because she fell in Liebe with him first.

This is purely speculative and one-sided, seeing as Elena and Damon aren't a couple yet. How can we decide who Elena ends up with when she's only had one serious relationship so far, with Stefan? We can't judge fairly when Elena hasn't got together with Damon yet. We don't know what kind of relationship they'll have, how it will affect them, how it will impact their development as characters.
This argument refuses to take the Liebe dreieck into account, and that in order for a Liebe dreieck to exist, the girl in the middle has to be torn between two loves.

2. They assume DE won't last long.

I find this a huge insult to the fanbase as well as the writers who are building DE's relationship, and Delena themselves. For the audience, half of the fun lies in the excitement of watching a relationship unfold - where the journey takes them, not the destination itself. So when people say that DE won't last long after watching the development of their friendship, their ups and downs, Damon falling in Liebe with Elena, the break down of their friendship, Damon confessing how he feels about her and then erasing her memory, his attempts to protect her in spite of her hostility towards him and whatever follows that - then I find it ironic. If DE aren't meant to last, then the writers wouldn't be so painstakingly slow in their approach to DE, scene Von scene, episode Von episode. Sometimes even scenes which don't feature Damon and Elena exclusively (like the "I'll protect her" moment in 'Masquerade', the hug between SE in 'Rose' and the hook-up between Damon and Rose in 'Katerina') are about DE. Unlike SE, Delena's relationship hasn't been rushed, which makes them Mehr likely to last the length of the series, NOT less.

3. They assume Damon will find another girl and fall in Liebe with her.

I think anybody who truly understands the nature of Damon's character and how deeply he loves would hate this argument oder at least be offended Von it. Damon stayed faithful to Katherine for 145 years, refusing to give up on her. What makes them think he'll Liebe Elena any less just because (for the moment) she's currently tied up with Stefan? They seem to think Damon is a flighty character who falls in and out of Liebe as quickly as turning a light switch on and off. According to everything we've seen and know about Damon, the idea that he would just find another girl and fall as deeply in Liebe with her as he did with Elena is an insult to him and to us. It puts him on the same level as a celebrity couple who appear in magazines raving about how in Liebe they are, teilt, split up, find another relationship and do the same thing all over again. While there will be other girls (like Rose) and 'hot hook-ups' they are nothing Mehr than diversions for Damon as we saw in 2x09 'Katerina'. They are there to block out his true feelings for Elena, oder to offer a temporary escape from reality but they can't give him what he wants and needs. Nor can they make him forget that he loves Elena. The pain and loneliness he wants to block out is still going to be there the Weiter day.
I suspect that those who are fond of using this argument have an ulterior motive: to promote their ship of choice: SE oder Bamon.

4. They compare the dreieck in the Zeigen to the one in the 'Twilight' saga. So if Elena = Bella, Stefan = Edward, and Damon = Jacob, then just like in the saga, Elena will choose Edward (Stefan).

I find this comparison completely unimaginative and idiotic. It's not that I have anything against 'Twilight'. It's just that their argument is based on the assumption that 'The Vampire Diaries' must be the same as 'Twilight' simply because it features Vampire and a Liebe triangle. The mythology is different, the characters are different, and the dynamic between Damon, Elena and Stefan are completely different. So how can it be the same?

I understand why people would cast Stefan as Edward; he certainly seems to quite similar in some ways. He's also the brother Elena falls in Liebe with first, which accounts for a huge part of reasoning behind this argument. But I think that in the light of Kürzlich episodes, Du might be surprised when Du study Damon and Edward side Von side. Stefan has done a lot of things to protect Elena, but he has not done the one thing that Damon and Edward have: let the girl they loved go because they believed she would ultimately be better off.
In 'New Moon', Edward lies to Bella, telling her all kinds of things to make her believe he doesn't want to be with her anymore. He takes (or hides) the CD he gave to her and her photographs so Bella won't have anything to remind her of the time they had together, thinking it will be easier for her to Bewegen on without them. In 'The Vampire Diaries' Damon tells Elena he loves her, then compels her to forget it happened, so she won't have to deal with it at all. I am not suggesting Damon is the same as Edward; my point is that Damon is a complex character. Sticking him in the role of Jacob does not do him justice when he arguably possesses a combination of traits seen in Edward and Jacob. Furthermore, to suggest that Damon will end up with someone else like Jacob did in the saga isn't following the way the Liebe dreieck in the Zeigen is developing. Bella never really had a romantic relationship with Jacob in the saga. It might have developed with time if she hadn't ran off to Italy to rescue Edward in 'New Moon'. If Edward had never left, it's unlikely that Bella would ever have grown to need (and love) Jacob the way she did. Not for one moment when I was Lesen 'Eclipse' did I think Bella would turn around and choose Jacob, so it wasn't a very convincing Liebe dreieck in the sense that I always knew who Bella would choose before the ending. I feel that people are too quick to compare the Zeigen to 'Twilight' and in jumping to a conclusion which hasn't even come close to being reached in the show.

5, They argue that if DE ever get together, then it will mess up Stefan and Damon's friendship/bond as brothers.

Wasn't the Salvatore brothers friendship already messed up long before either of them had set eyes on Elena? And hasn't Elena actually helped them to get along thus far, not (like some have presumed) made things worse? Haven't Stefan and Damon agreed to work together to protect Elena, teaming up to fight Katherine and anyone else who's a threat to her safety? Haven't they reached a new understanding, when Stefan apologised to Damon for forcing him to turn? And most importantly, hasn't Damon proved he might be the Mehr selfless brother Von stepping out of the contest for Elena's heart? It won't always be this way, but the dreieck is so different from the one that happened in 1864. Elena genuinely cares about them both, and as a result, Damon and Stefan have forged a new bond in spite of the fact that Stefan knows that Damon loves Elena. The truth is, without Elena, this new alliance between the brothers would not have been possible.

6. They claim that Von falling in Liebe with Damon, Elena will be just 'another Katherine'.

This is completely far-fetched and illogical, when we all know Katherine enjoyed stringing Damon along. She loved having two brothers vying for her attentions, and played it to her advantage, gloating that "I'm the one who gets to make all the rules...because I'm spoiled." The fact that she was wreaking havoc on Damon and Stefan's relationship didn't matter to her in the least. In order for Elena to be like Katherine, she would have to adopt the same selfish, manipulative, lying, murderous behaviour. Loving Damon in itself isn't going to do it. The writers have emphasised over and over how different Elena is to Katherine - that's why Stefan fell in Liebe with her, she was a better version of Katherine. I find it odd that it's only when it comes to Damon that the comparison to Katherine pops up. Doesn't Elena Liebe Stefan, just as Katherine does, even echoing her almost word for word in 'The Return': "It'll always be Stefan"? If loving the same guy as her lookalike doesn't make Elena the same as her, why does it apply to Damon, when we all know Katherine didn't Liebe him in the first place?
Elena would have to do a lot of evil things before she could be put in the same box as Katherine, including tearing the brothers apart; but she has actually helped to heal Damon and Stefan's rift. She cares about both of them, and would never deliberately play them against each other so I don't see how falling in Liebe with Damon means that she is the same as Katherine.

7. They argue that SE are the 'main couple' of the show, whereas DE are the supporting act, oder for entertainment value only.
"It wouldn't make sense if they built the Liebe story for SE just to give us DE in the end."

Du can turn this argument round and say exactly the same thing about DE. What's the point in taking all these episodes/seasons to build their relationship if it's only going to end with SE anyway? In fact, this argument makes a lot Mehr sense for DE, considering that it's taking much longer for DE to get together. SE got together in 10 episodes.
Most of Du know that DE won a place on E!Online's 'Couples We Love' gallery, with 83 percent of votes. SE may have been a couple before Delena, but that does not mean that the majority of viewers are fascinated with SE. If SE really were 'the main couple', they would have won the poll.

8. They assume Elena will choose Stefan because he's the good guy.

I think the reason why this argument tends to get thrown around a lot might be due to the fact that Damon is supposed to be the 'bad' brother whereas Stefan is seen as the 'good' one. In these types of stories, the girl usually goes for the good guy, not the anti-hero.

When the Zeigen began, Stefan was certainly presented as the good brother, while Damon was the bad one who stirred up trouble, messing with Caroline, Vicki, pretty much anyone who got in his way. But as the Zeigen went on, I think the distinction between which brother was good and which was bad became Mehr and Mehr blurry. In order to understand who Damon and Stefan really are, Du have to look into their past and see the people and events that shaped them into what they became, and who they are now. The trouble is, we don't know very much about Stefan's life after he became a vampire. We don't know what made him give up drinking human blood. But we have a vague idea from his conversations with Lexi in '162 Candles' and Mehr recently during the car journey with Damon in 'Rose' that he was a different person back then.

Damon: Remember the days when all Du lived for was blood? Du were the guy who would rip someone apart just for the fun of it?

Stefan: Du mean when I was Mehr like you?

From what we can gather here, there is clearly a much darker side to Stefan that we don't know about, and Elena doesn't know about. There are obviously things about his life that Stefan can't tell her, probably because he's worried what her reaction would be, so he feels he has to keep that side of him hidden from her. Perhaps in the end, there is not much difference between Stefan and Damon, oder at any rate, less than we think there is. The only thing that sets Stefan above Damon in the good behaviour rank is that he found his humanity a lot earlier than Damon did.

I think there is definitely another side of Damon we don't know about. In 'The Return', Katherine calls him "my sweet, innocent Damon" but at the time I wondered if she was only being sarcastic. Then in 'Masquerade' she asks "What happened to Du Damon? Du used to be so sweet and polite." He Antworten "That Damon died a long time ago." Sweet? Innocent? Polite? Damon?! Hard to believe, isn't it? While we can only speculate what might have happened to the Damon who was innocent and sweet, and what happened to Stefan who wasn't as in touch with his humanity as he is now but found it again, we would be entirely deceived to label one brother wholly good and the other wholly bad.

How does this all fit into the Liebe triangle? Well, Du could argue that in a way, Elena has already chosen Damon. Not in the romantic sense - at least, not yet. But she cares about him enough to jump in and save him when his life is in danger after he'd done something terrible to her. This is particularly poignant in 'Brave New World'. She hates him. She can barely look at him, talk to him oder hear his name mentioned in conversations. But she stopped Bonnie from burning him to death when someone else in her shoes might have been tempted to stand back. Why? Because it was the right thing to do? Because she wasn't about to seek revenge on him even though he probably deserved it? Yes and yes, but there's more. If Elena didn't see something good in Damon, if she didn't feel something for him, then she wouldn't have any reason to save him. Because going after Jeremy in a blind rage was one of the worst things Damon could have done to her, and Elena knows it. Du can't go any lower than that. Elena is either the most righteous human being who's walked the earth since Mother Teresa, oder she feels something for Damon which prevents her from standing back oder walking away.

9. They assume they already know how the story will end.

How many times have Du seen something like this: "I enjoy DE's scenes. But it will be Stefan and Elena in the end."

I believe that the main reason why people go for SE as endgame is because they seem like the safest option. I doubt that SE shippers would throw a tantrum if Elena chose Damon in the end, because even some of them can see that DE have something intriguing. One SE shipper told me that she preferred SE simply because she thought they were 'cuter'. 'Cute' is an adjective that describes SE very well, and is why they appeal to many people. But if people are claiming that SE will be endgame already, it's because they are complacent about the state of SE's relationship, and how it will be in the future. In a sense, they are taking it for granted that nothing will come between SE; not Katherine, not Damon, not anyone. If they are so sure of SE's future, then it means the relationship has never gegeben them any reason to doubt how it could be otherwise. So of course people will say they will end up together, their relationship has never been pushed to breaking point. Sure, they've been through dark times and rough patches; Stefan fell off his animal blood diet and lied to Elena and had to be locked in the cellar. But even Katherine's threats weren't enough to cause serious damage. Through it all, they've remained loyal to each other to the very end. So much so that we've never had to wonder if their relationship will live to see another day. They staged a break-up in order to stay together. When they teilt, split up for real, it wasn't because they wanted to, it was for the sake of the people Elena loved so...does that even count?! If people assume that SE will be endgame, then maybe SE have never truly been challenged in their relationship. If SE have never really had to fight to save their love, then maybe they are not the couple people think they are.

SE might be 'cute' together, but they do not live on the edge where it's dangerous and unpredictable, irrational and terrifying to Liebe someone else and want to be with them so much Du would be desperate enough to do anything, no matter how stupid and reckless it might be. When Du know Du should get the heck away to somewhere safe, sicher but try as Du might, Du just can't. When you're in such a vulnerable place, Du know if your Liebe is real and how strong it is. But if you've never been there, Du can never really know. People might think SE have a solid relationship when in fact, they've never had to endure any trials oder hardships which pushed them until they were right on the edge.

Earlier in the year, a lot of DE shippers were bemoaning the fact that Kevin and Julie were Singen the praises of SE. Kevin called them 'soulmates,' and Julie raved that SE were the "True, epic Liebe story of the show." Fast vorwärts-, nach vorn a few months, and Kevin is apparently saying something quite different, stating "You don't always end up with your soulmate" (whatever that means). Does it sound like Kevin and Julie have made up their minds about who will end up with whom? Unless Du can see into the future, know Kevin and Julie personally, and they've already written Seasons 3,4 and 5, Du can't assume Du already know how the story will end. If it's one thing that keeps the audience on their toes, it's never knowing what will happen. And even if Du could see into the future and know what the ending is, would Du really want to? It would be like watching the end of a movie at the beginning. It would spoil your enjoyment and take away the anticipation which makes the Zeigen so addictive. If the ending of 'The Vampire Diaries' was easy to predict, then we wouldn't have a show.
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I asked myself why the Elena from the TV Zeigen is so different from the Elena from the books. In the books, Elena is a spoiled highschool Queen at the beginning of the story and stays very bossy throughout the books, while Katherine is a docile and obedient Renaissance girl, until she becomes insane. And one reason for this change in the characters could be that it is easier to Zeigen Delena’s development as twin flames. Because although it is not sagte like in the books, all of the parallels of DE in the show, the fact that they are so much alike ("She already IS like me.") and everything else...
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 Fan art Von nian13
fan art by nian13
After watching the amazing "I remember everything" 4x01 scene and Damon's awesome speech defending his decision to save her first, even if Matt had died, something has been playing on my mind that I wanted to write about and share with you.
Elena's logic about Stefan respecting her because he listened to her, whereas Damon is selfish and couldn't let go doesn't make sense.
Quick re-run of 3x22: Elena values Matt's life before her's, and her decision is for Matt to be saved first, even if it means she dies in the process. Stefan doesn't like this. He wants to save Elena first, not Matt, but...
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 Fan art Von ggdelena
fan art by ggdelena
"I set out on a narrow way many years ago
Hoping I would find true Liebe along a broken road
I got Lost a time oder two, wiped my brow
Kept pushing through
I couldn't see how every sign pointed straight to you

That every long Lost dream led me to where Du are
And others who broke my heart,
They were just northern stars pointing me on my way
Into your loving arms
This much I know is true
That God bless the broken road
That led me straight to you."

(Rascal Flatts)


Whenever I try to imagine what a picture of Delena's journey looks like, I know it wouldn't be one straight, smooth road, free from obstacles or...
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I think there are a multitude of purposes behind Damon not getting the girl...yet. First of all, she still has feelings for Stefan and their relationship problems this season have been over what Klaus did to Stefan and the effects it had on his character, not because of the relationship itself. So this relationship needs real closure, closure that can't be blamed on Klaus and their faithfulness to one another had to be rewarded. Second, Elena, as human, possessed an appreciation for the type of Liebe Stefan gave to her because of it's influence on her recovery after her parents death, and the...
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i really like what this person sagte about Damon.
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One of the things I loved most about the fact that Damon met Elena first,

He never told her.

He never felt like he had to tell her. If she had known, who knows what should would have done oder what their relationship would be like. He never told her, because he never felt like he had to use that to get closer to her. He never had to use that memory to get on her good side again, just like the Rose memory. Every good thing Damon has ever done doesn’t need an audience, and he honestly doesn’t want one. He wants everyone to accept him for who...
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Now I know a lot of us (well not me) DE Fans still have hope that they are endgame, because now that Elena is a vampire she will remember the AMAZING things Damon did and run to him well I’m here to tell that’s not the case at all, because for one thing JP sagte that we will see Mehr SE CHEESY CRAP “she will committed to Stefan”, for two if Elena didn’t appreciate/realize Damon now after EVERYTHING he has done for her Du really think a couple of forgotten memories will change her mind?? Come on lets be real.

She picked “saint” Stefan despite everything, despite the fact he only...
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Elena looked around, slowly adjusting to the light. She was in the morgue section of the hospital. Why? Did they think she was dead? ..She noticed something different, her sense of smell, a hunger that settled itself deep within her - like it would never leave.

And then she realized it. With an astonished gasp Elena covered her mouth in shock.

She was in transition.

Her breath became uneven and she started hyperventilating. With heavy gasps she tried to right herself as she stood up but she couldn’t keep her balance. Her knees buckled and tears filled her eyes as she fell to the floor.

“NO!”...
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posted by Delenaforever13
The very first episode of the Vampire Diaries that I saw was the Sekunde episode of the first season. I did not ship Delena the Minute I saw them together. I shipped Stelena first. I was shipping Stelena first because I thought Stefan was a perfect fit. He was good for Elena. And Damon was the bad boy come to town to destroy his little brother's life and try to steal his girl. I kept that opinion of Damon until the episodes Blood Brothers and Isobel premired. Then in the season one finale I found myself cheering when I thought Damon kissed Elena.

To me I found Stefan and Elena's relationship...
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Du sagte I Liebe you,
I broke your heart.
I didn't mean to.
My words just tore your world apart.
I wish I had told you
how I feel about us but
I don't even know myself.
I don't know me anymore

I made a promise to him
I wouldn't let our Liebe end
But I did
now I don't know what to do.
I keep holding on to him
when never again
could I Liebe him
the way I did before you.
My words to Du were simple but
they ripped at your soul.
You think I don't Liebe you
but everyone knows.

You've been my everything,
my rock, my soul, my voice.
You've stood Von me and held me tight.
I've always been your choice.
You've been my savior,
my...
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We skip to S2, Stefan is fully aware that Damon is in Liebe with Elena, so he saw it as an opportunity, Damon can be in Elena’s life and be her friend and save and protect her life as long as he doesn’t act on his feelings, and as long as Damon keeps his destines from Elena while saving/protecting her life then it was fine with him (we see this in 2x08 in the car scene Damon tells Stefan that he can get out as easily as he went in and Stefan respond “no Du can’t that’s the BEAUITY of it”) he used and still uses Damon’s Liebe for Elena instead of trying to make easier for him (selfish...
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posted by kristanna_vl
Well my girlfriend and i are standing for this whole Delena vs. Stelena fight (God, i hate this nicknames..lol).. She is a total Fan of Stefan and Elena, and i`ve been totally on the other side..After last weeks episode we try to explain to each other what brought us to this different opinions.
My girlfriend told me:
Stefan and Elena are equal, both are caring about eachother and everything around that walks, and both respect eachother on the highest level. She told me that the Liebe of these two is exactly the Liebe she would like to have in her life. Sweet,caring, honest and true, without colleteral...
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On January the 2nd in 2011 some family came to visit, bringing along a hard drive with many series and Filme on it. Among the series, there was one labeled "The Vampire Diaries". It stuck out to me for 2 reasons.
Firstly because I had heard my two best Friends talking about how hot 'Damon' from 'The Vampire Diaries' was.
Secondly because I had become obsessed with Twilight for a while before that and I loved anything with Vampire in it.
I settled down at the TV with 10 episodes for 6 hours of happiness.
As I have sagte before, I liked Stefan, a lot. I loved when he was with Elena and when he...
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Ok,I know that everybody(including myself) are dying for DE to finally get together...We get looks,almost kisses,tension,but we do not seem to go to the Weiter level yet and we are wondering why not??But that can be good...

First of all,Elena had to be looking for Stefan all summer.He is her boyfriend,she knows she loves him and it would be illogical to just stop caring and looking for him...Then,when she found him and saw what he had done and who he had become,would we want for her to abandon him?No,because that would not be like her.She never gives up on the people she loves,she is faithfull.Isn't...
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Here's a short Sneak Peak of The Hunters: Phantom that I've noticed at the end of Stefan's Diaries. I'm not sure if it's in the end version oder not but I do think it's a very cute scene between Damon & Elena.


Elena Gilbert stepped onto a smooth expanse of grass, the spongy blades collapsing beneath her feet. Clusters of scarlet Rosen and violett delphiniums pushed up from the ground while a giant canopy hung above her, twinkling with glowing lanterns. On the terrace in front of her stood two curving white marble fountains that shot sprays of water high into the air. Everything was beautiful,...
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To start yes I'm a hard core delena & Damon & Elena fan, I Liebe these two as couple and indavule characters ,and yes I hate Stefan but what I'm about to say is beside the point . plz don't bash and Stefan Fans be honest for once and don't try to say all the good things your Stefan did ok plz

Ok so the reasons why I Liebe Damon Mehr than Stefan are so MANY, but one of the things that makes me Liebe him is something nobody can deny, and that's how Damon COVERS for Stefan unlike Stefan he doesn't. all summer long he followed/kept track of Stefan and HIS victims WHEN HE STILL WAS NOT COMPALLED...
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Don't go crazy on in this Artikel I will try to subjective. A side the fact I don't really like Stefan that much and hate stelena but this Zeigen has focused A LOT on Stefan's history.

I mean isn't about the 3 main characters (Damon, elena, and Stefan) about their history and how they changed as characters, but all we have seen and learned about for the last 2 seasons is Stefan past, who he was, what he did (his past as riper), his friends(lexie) ,and who became good Stefan.

But until now we know nothing about what Damon was doing for the last 100 and so years( I mean a side from trying to get...
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I really hope there is a change of gears in the upcoming episodes.

Seriously! Stefan ended things with Elena and sure he still loves her but I mean HE REMEMBERS HIS Liebe WITH REBECA (LOVED that twist with her and Klaus knowing him btw)


I am praying that Stefan and Rebeca rekindle their relationship. That way Stefan will finally be in a happy relationship where he doesn't have to constantly worry about the Liebe of his life being in danger because of it.

I think he should either be with her oder Katherine. I am so glad she's back and that is amazing that she is keeping her eye on him... she loves...
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What's your opinion on Kevin Williamson's latest interview on Delena? It seemed to depress, annoy, anger and strike fear in the hearts of a lot of shippers.

“Just because we’re putting her with Damon doesn’t mean they’re going to end up together. And it doesn’t mean they’re going to get together.”

OK, I can understand why this would upset Fans even though it didn't particularly bother me. Fans seem to leap to dramatic conclusions about the future of DE whenever Kevin oder Julie make any kind of Kommentare which apparently Frage oder challenge whether DE will ever become romantically...
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This is just my idea on how the writers will do a commercial with the finaly episode.The words in parentheses is the annoucers voice. And yes I know, way to early since they haven't started season 3, but I just had the idea.

(It's the end of the series! And it's time to pick)

Bonnie, Elena, and Caroline are sitting somewhere
"I don't know who to choose" Elena says
Bonnie smiles and puts one hand around her shoulder "Just let you're herz guide you"

(What lenghts will the boys go to get her!)

Elena and stefan are in a bedroom.
"Elena, Du should pick whoever Du want." he touchs her face "But I'll...
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Almost every BD/SE Fan I’ve talked to have been telling me that DE is against morals, it’s wrong for Du to datum your ex boyfriend’s brother. Now if this wasn’t a Zeigen about Vampire and where everything morally right gets thrown out the window then I might see their side of why DE is “wrong” but I don’t. Because this Zeigen isn’t based on what is right and wrong, it doesn’t have to follow the human code of how Du datum oder who Du are with. It is a Zeigen based on great storytelling and sometimes the people we least expect end up together. Even if it is deemed as wrong in the...
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