I read SEers arguments why SE are the IT couple oder endgame and have to say they are very weak. First would be: “ND and PW are the lead actors on TVD” First of all, where was it ever sagte that they are leads? There can be three leads on TVD. How can anyone deny that Ian is a lead actor? That is why the baum of them always promotes the show. Not just ND and PW, but IS as well. Just because PW name come first doesn´t make him Mehr of a lead then Ian. That doesn´t make SE Mehr important then Damon. Same person who claims that ND and PW are the main leads playing main characters mention that the Zeigen is about Damon, Elena, Stefan just prove that it´s not about DE… Du can´t have it both ways… The the famous: “It will always be Stefan.” Elena sagte it back then in S2, since then everything changed. If Elena saw Stefan as her always, she never would even think to have a family in the future. When she sagte it, she didn´t realized the meaning of ALWAYS- which mostly young people often do. Even in one of JPs interwievs she talked how Elena have now to think what the word ALWAYS means, Elena has still to learn. Ever since S2 we never heard from Elena Stefan being her always. It´s Damon who mentions it two times. In Season two finale she doesn´t say anything, and in season three she goes even further and says she can´t think about always. It can´t be intepreted differently then that Elena isn´t sure Stefan is her always anymore. Not when JP repeated after the finale over and over again, that the choice she made was for right now, that she made it as someone who she is right now. Then Damons famous: “It´s right, just not right now.” They repeat it over and over again- that just can´t be ignored. Then I read that “This kind of Liebe never dies.” could have been written just for the it couple. Now explain how the line: “I don´t know what Liebe is.” could be written for the supposed epic couple of the show? This line can´t be ignored. When Elena sagte it, it was like saying that Elena has to learn what Liebe is. Also when Elena talks about Stefan she says: “What Liebe SHOULD be…” this is not the kind of line that is used for the main couple. And please don´t come up with old lines from Elena about/to Damon. Cause their story get develop through the series, Elena falling in Liebe with Damon slowly, while SE already know they Liebe each other and were together. Then I read the line: “SE are the true Liebe story of the show.” sagte Von JP. First of all, this line is not complete. Julie sagte SE are the Liebe story NOW. See that little but important word NOW? After saying that she mentioned that they can´t leave out Damon. This word NOW seem to come back over and over again, right ;) At the end of Season three JP couldn´t stop talking how it was like the end of the series. That was the end of chapter one. Yep the part where SE were the true Liebe story of the Zeigen is finished, and they finished it in a very symbolic way. SE lovestory did began when Stefan saved Elena from the car accident, at the end of S3 we have exactly the same situation again, just now Stefan saves Matt instead of Elena. Elena died. It was like the end of their story. “This kind of Liebe never died.” did die when human Elena died. Now while Elena was dying we saw the DE first meeting flashback, which showed us the new beginning of the new series/new chapter. It showed us DE as the beginning of the beginning. Du can´t use old quote from JP about SE being true Liebe story anymore, Du won´t see JP saying it again, cause this chapter is now finished. All Du see in all of JPs lates interwievs is that she says over and over again that it wasn´t THE choice, that trinagle is not over yet, that everything changed, it´s not the same Zeigen anymore- nothing about Stefan being Elenas always, nothing about SE being the true lovestory…