Nathan as a wreck and he didn't actually had a chance to keep her like Peyton when she had the chance to say yes

100% - no competition ;D
James did an amazing perfomance there and I didn't like Peyton in Season 5 THAT much !

Nathan </333
Pooor guy :(

umm duhh! there was nothing sad about peyton's "suffering". she was like a crazy psycho ex girlfriend who set claims on lucas and pitied herself cuz he moved on with his life and didnt wait for her for 4 years. like come on! she was pathetic and annoying as fuck. she antagonized lindsey when she had no right to. her and lucas broke up years ago, she even got with julian and when her life seemed like it sucked she thought 'hey im sure luke will still be waiting for me' its like get over yourself and move on woman, he obviously did,! but nathan, his WIFE kissed another guy and ran away on a rock tour. he was devastated cuz he gave everything up for haley and she broke his heart. poor nate, i loved him and his suffering and how he grew and dealt with it.

Um, Drisina, Nathan was the one who gave Haley the ultimatum. So he did have a chance to "keep her". At least in the marital sense. But he drove her away. They wouldn't have broken up if Nate didn't say what he said. But it was still sad when he grieved her leaving. I think the saddest moment for Nate was the scene when he crashed his car on purpose. The song that was playing put that scene over the top "Like a Man Possessed" by the Get up Kids is an intensely amazing song!

I had to really make sure I answered this without being biased. I think it was just the way Peyton cried and grieved over the realization that she was gonna lose luke forever that made me pick this one. I mean at least Nate anticipated Haley's return from her 12 week tour. Peyton had to suffer with the fact that the love of her life was going to marry someone else. 507 and 508 had such sad scenes! My God I nearly cried when Peyton said her final goodbye to luke and left him alone. My eyes welled up. Not just cause I was a leyton fan, but because Hil really delivered and made Peyton's broken heart feel absolutely believable; palpable :/

Brooke's and Peyton's scene was more sad for me. I felt sorry for Nathan but Peyton thought she finally lost Lucas forever because he was going to get married to another woman a few minutes before he kissed her at Tric. The darkness and the fire and peyton laying down with the book in her hand and the book burning while their watching it... everything, it all fit perfectly and it enhanced the sad mood.

Well i didn't even really WATCH season 2 :/
I did, however, thought Nate's depression was sad and felt bad for the guy.

Peyton/Brooke scene was sad! I cried in that scene.

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I totally understand where you coming from, but Peyton had a chance,too^^ she could have said yes and I totally understand why Nathan made this 'ultiatum' , because he was so scared and he wanted to see IF Haley would stay for him , so that would proof him that their love was strong enough ... but it wasn't.
and he didn't know that Haley would come back to him , I mean he even filled the divorce papers ... [or whatever he send her there :D]

but I think I'm taking sides here , because Nathan is my #1 .. even when it come to something like that ;D

I felt bad for Peyton, but as is was already perfectly said, most of her problems were caused by herself.

"she antagonized lindsey when she had no right to. her and lucas broke up years ago, she even got with julian and when her life seemed like it sucked she thought 'hey im sure luke will still be waiting for me' its like get over yourself and move on woman, he obviously did,!

I know Nathan had faults on pushing Haley to leave, but they were MARRIED. Peyton had no right over Lucas, they weren't a couple.

Plus, how many times have she cried over Lucas?
That was the first time we saw Nathan crying, EVER. Like he truly broke down. He didn't know if she was gonna to come back, things with Dan were a mess too. He was basically alone.

For me, there isn't any doubt about which one is sadder.

It´s ridiculous to say Peyton had bno right to be upset, because she did not say when Lucas proposed to her when they were onlky 19. She did say that she loved Lucas and that She wanted them to be together then too.Peyton did not act crazy, she was just hurt and in love..Peyton had every right to be upset, Lucas had just kissed her back and then gone home and proposed to another woman! And the way Lucas was acting before that, he was clearly not over Peyton either, getting jealous over seeing Peyton talking to a another gut, "He´s not good enough for you" And Like Haley said " Peyton is not just another ex-girlfriend.."
And Peyton hadn´t really cried over Lucas alot before that. And the quote from Lucas´s Book, it was just heartbreaking..

Nathan suffering was sad also but that breyton scene was just..beyond sad

Nathan said she will be back in 12 months or how many they were but deep down he knew she wasn't coming back , that's what he said to Karen in this scene <-- photo , s2 e14

He's a guy. Most guys don't like to be seen vulnerable.
James did a great job playing that!

Nathan was really vulnerable, I felt really sorry for him. But he made the ultimatum, Hales made his choice...and, like people said before, he could still be hoping. And among all this suffering, he was so proud of her! That's a light in the dark.

But Peyton... She rememberd the TLA on the door... The heartbreaking qute from the book, that was a promise of eternal love. Yes, she said no to the proposal, but they were only 19! And who the hell said No matter how long it takes, I'll wait for you.?! It was such an awful lie I made me sick when I saw Lucas scenes in season 5.
When he kissed her back, he immediately proposed to Lindsey, because he was too scared of his own feelings to give it a try...
Losing the love of your life is something I can't imagine. Like evrything you belived in, all your dreams & hopes, all the things that were basis of your existance are gone.
Nate at least had basketball left. Peyton was left with nothing. Her sadness after losing Luke is for me one of the most hearbreaking plots in OTH.

Lol Peyton had the music , label to Nathan had basketball but that didn't comfort them with something for sure.

Both was so hard and i cry alot for both of this scenes,but Peyton suffering when Lucas was with Lindsey,Really break my heart,is was maybe one of the hardest tv scenes ever

Jessica - I don't believe it was because their love wasn't strong enough. It was because Hales kissed CK, and Nate put his foot in his mouth with that ultimatum, but when he took it back, it was too late cause hales had "left the building".
If their love wasn't strong enough, nate wouldn't have gone after hales on tour. And Hales would have signed those divorce papers...

And Drisina, I know Nate feared Hales wouldn't come back, but it wasn't like she was getting herself into anything that would permanently separate them forever. That's what Peyton had to face which for me made it look sadder.
In season 2, Naley got in their own way - kinda like leyton in s5. And if Peyton wasn't ready to get married at friggen nineteen, I don't think people should blame her. She was still a teenager for crying out loud. It was luke's idiocy that caused problems. Peyton saying she wanted to wait a year (which would still mean marrying young) is more than fare. Yet for luke it was all or nothing. He didn't even openly make an ultimatum. He decided if she wouldn't marry him then, that it was over. He just walked out without so much as a goodbye. What an insecure coward. And yet Peyton is blamed for the breakup?

.. do you people even SEE what are you writing right now?

Peyton was flat out pathetic in season 5. Chasing after the man she LET GO. She said NO. I don't care if she was only 19, and if Lucas said he would wait for her, if she wanted to be with him forever she would have said yes or given him a better answer. She did with Jake - hell she asked Jake to marry HER. But that is totally besides the point - they broke up for WHATEVER reason you would like to justify, end of story. Lucas had Lindsay and she just couldn't let him be happy - she didn't let him go. She never had any intention to let him go, and if you believe that then you are clearly NOT watching the show.

But in the end .. her obsessiveness won. So I guess kudos to LP/Peyton fans. Whining, crying, cheating, hurting others and lying will get you everything you ever wanted in the end. A happily ever after.

As for Nate - I could go into my reasons but I won't. I have a feeling i'm going to get bitched at/debated with enough.

^ ^ I won't attack you but I will answer your comment since it clearly stirred me up a little. It's funny how you say those who don't agree with your view are clearly not watching the show, but you somehow believe Peyton said "no". You say she should have said yes or given him a better answer. Her better answer than no was "in a year". That's marking time.
And yeah she asked jake to marry her but as soon as jake asked "what if brooke didn't have lucas" Peyton's grimace said a thousand words. So I wouldn't take her "proposal" very seriously.
As for Peyton taking a while to let Lucas go, it took her a while to let him go seeing as how she never got the closure. I mean, Luke just up and left. He made that decision for the both of them. She had no intention of ending their relationship. She had no idea Luke had reached that crossroads. Peyotn said it herself "I didn't know that my saying I wasn't ready meant that we would never be together again. Had I known that I would have said yes." So are you kidding?! Peyton did want to be with him - but she wasn't ready to get hitched while she was still a teenager. She was never given the option of "marry me or we're breaking up". She hoped they'd work things out but Luke had other plans.
Anyhow, even though it took Peyton a while to let Luke go (who kept coming after her which didn't help by the way: 504, 506, 507 etc.) she did let him go. She was still in love with him, but she did let him go. If she hadn't let him go she wouldn't have sat silently in the wedding and watched the love of her life say "I do". She wouldn't have been nothing but a supportive friend while Luke pined over lindsey in 514, 15, 16, and 17. Lastly, if she had "no intention of letting luke go" then she wouldn't have gone to NY on Luke's behalf to get lindsey to take him back. Doesn't exactly fit into her "grand scheme" to win luke back does it? So saying Peyton had no intention of letting Luke go is a little narrow minded when facts say otherwise. Sounds to me like you're clearly "not" watching the show my dear. Anyhow, you see it differently so that's ok. That's what differences in opinions is all about. But don't start making us sound like we're crazy for not having the same views as you about Peyton.

Peyton didn't let go at all till the wedding
i am sorry but who kissed Lucas ? ow yeah it was Peyton
who made a big scandal in ep 5 or 6 ? ow yeah it was Peyton
who couldn't let go untill wedding ? ow yeah it was Peyton
and you say it was Lucas' faught but it wasn't Peyton said no she couldn't even make time for him to sit at a dinner they barely see each other so when he met someone else and fall in love he had all the right to let Peyton because he beeing in Tree Hill and she in L.A made the relationship impossible , hell they didn't speak for 3 years of course it was over.

I cry every time :(

I really don't even know what to say anymore... this spot is beyond ridiculous.

We're actually comparing:
Nathan's hurting - which resulted in him crashing a racecar in to a wall in an attempt to kill himself

or

Peyton's hurting - which consisted of her repeatedly treating Lindsay like shit for no reason, kissing Lucas while he was in a relationship AGAIN, and then ending up with Lucas.

Hmmmm... And some of you wonder why non-OTH fans think so many of us are crazy!

There is NO comparison. Nathan may have given Haley an ultimatum but in that exact same episode, not even an hour later I'm assuming, he realized how wrong it was and came running back hoping against all hope that she hadn't left.

Nathan was a wreck the entire time Haley was gone. There is simply no way to deny that, as i said before - he tried to kill himself so please, try and say he wasn't fucked up beyond belief.

And then there's Peyton. I don't care how LP fans try and bullshit it, but Peyton was able to have a relationship with Julian, she was able to live her life without wanting to kill herself because of all the pain she was in.

So don't sit here and try to act like Peyton's pathetic longing for Lucas in any way compares to a man who was willing to crash a car because the thoughts of his wife leaving were that hard to take.

I wasn't trying to make you/anyone sound crazy - I was stating facts.

Peyton was NEVER going to let Lucas go. Mark always wanted an LP ending - so she would have ALWAYS carried that torch and pined and been a complete bitch to Lucas' wife because she "lost" him.

Like I said no matter how you spin the break up - the fact is .. it was still a BREAK UP.

Lucas left - he had Lindsay - he was happy - he said I do for fuckssake! He wanted to marry her, he got suspended from basketball FOR HER. He truly did care/love her.
And Peyton had Julian at one point. I don't care if it wasn't "TLA" like with Lucas. She still HAD him.

james isvan amazing acyor so it was more real which made it sader. plus he looked rly cute all sad and depressed. i always hated haley but this made me hate her even more.

Why do you keep saying it was a breakup? I know it was a breakup. That's not the dispute, lol. My point is that Luke didn't even tell her to her face. He just left. He left her with all these feelings. The point is she would have said yes if saying she wasn't ready meant breaking up. Anyhow, it's not like she didn't try and move on, but Luke got his hands dirty by constantly running after her. And it's not true that they didn't talk for 3 years - luke called Peyton to come meet him at his book signing. Then there was that dumb misunderstanding with Peyton thinking Lundsey were a couple at the book signing.
All the haters see is Leyton cheated in s5, and then ended up together. You refuse to see the good that Peyton did in between the screwup and the happy ending. She screwed up (which hmm, let me see, yeah, everybody has- no one seems to be pointing out anybody else's faults) but also did a lot of good to make up for it. Leyton ended up together AFTER Peyton let him go - that's what matters. It wasn't like a bad deed directly resulted in Leyton ending up together.
Anyhow, lol, I don't care to argue anymore. We're never gonna see OTH the same way. And to be blunt, we can debate till we're blue in the face but something tells me that whether we end the debate now or later, we're gonna have to agree to disagree anyhow. Leyton are endgame and off the show so I'm now wasting my time :)

Take it easy peeps.

Okay we were saying what was sadder Peyton suffering of Lucas in season 5 or Nathan suffering from when Haley left him in season 2 not of any car crash lol where you read that ?

Both!
But Peyton made me cry:(

Nathan suffering from when Haley left him in season 2 not of any car crash lol where you read that ?

Ummm hun, do you even watch the show?

Anybody that pays the slightest bit of attention knows that Nathan crashed a race car because of his depression over Haley leaving.

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I was only a big fan of naley in the first season and I never really cared about Nathan. Peyton? She´s my favourite character. So, obviously, her scene was sadder TO ME. Quite honestly I don´t even remember quite well what Nathan did after haley left.

So go ahead, and attack me for having a different opinion.

Here's how it is for me. When I first started OTH, I LOVED Naley. LOVE LOVE LOVE. When the Naley thing happened, it was terrible. I was literally depressed. The scene where he throws the piano at the wall KILLS ME EVERY TIME. It even gives me chills today. BUT, I soon began to love Leyton even more than I loved Naley. THAT IS WHY, TO ME, Peyton's suffering (being my favorite OTH character and half of my favorite OTH couple and all) TORE ME UP INSIDE. The voiceover of Luke's book, the fire, BROOKE letting her cry on her shoulder. OH and the way Luke treated her. You can yell at me all you want, but Luke pretty much teased her throughout the season. All of you Peyton haters can sit here and blame her all you want, but it is CLEARLY just as much Luke's fault, IF NOT MORE.

And just a side comment, for those of you insulting us (Leyton/Peyton fans) and saying that just because we love Leyton we promote cheating and everything that is wrong in the world, BITE ME. Because what you fail to see is the GOOD in them, and to us, they're an epic love story. NOT because they cheated, but because THE WHOLE TIME, Mark was trying to get across the point that this love was so PURE AND STRONG that NOBODY could ever come between it. That's how we see it. We may not agree with you guys who hate Leyton, but at least we don't go around insulting your strength of character and morality.

So go ahead, and attack me for having a different opinion.

I don't even think this is directed at me but I just want to say that I don't begrudge ANYONE their opinion! I just personally can't comprehend how people truly think Peyton's suffering was worse =/

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but Luke pretty much teased her throughout the season. All of you Peyton haters can sit here and blame her all you want

I'm in no way saying Lucas didn't play games with her etc. BUT - this question is asking about PEYTON & NATHAN'S suffering and I personally just don't think the two can be compared.

It's like I said, Nathan was such a wreck that he was willing to crash a racecar into a wall.

Peyton, yes she was upset throughout S5, but I think what gets most non-Peyton and/or non-LP fans is that Peyton was perfectly capable of acting bitchy towards Lindsay even when it wasn't justified and it just wasn't necessary.

That's what a lot of people have tried to say before - we could see if Peyton was just upset, hurting and was a mess the whole time. But it seems to me that she was fine enough to go around being a bitch to someone just because that girl was happy with Lucas...

xoheartinohioxo sorry i thought you wrote that there was no comparison between Nathan hurting from car crash and Peyton from Lucas , i thought you wrote about hurting from car crash injuries.
sorry my bad.
And anyways the point is that in my opinion Peyton had a chance to keep Lucas she said no , Nathan couldn't -you can all say that he gave the ultimatum-,but she wanted to leave more than anything and Nathan couldn't stop her , he couldn't stop her chasing her dreams if she would've stayed home she would've just regret that she didn't go.So Nathan didn't really have a chance but Peyton did and i guess that makes me more like picking Nathan.

"I don't even think this is directed at me but I just want to say that I don't begrudge ANYONE their opinion! I just personally can't comprehend how people truly think Peyton's suffering was worse =/"


I guess I´m the only one who interpreted this question in a different way. =| I wasn´t really thinking of why they were sad about, I only based my opinion on how their scenes made me feel. Oh well...urgh, quite honesly, I´m tired of explaining myself. And I don´t really have to anyway.

I really don´t want to fight or anything but I also want to say that I can´t comprehend why BLs are BLs. I can´t comprehend how on earth they didn´t see that Lucas and Peyton loved each other since the beginning of the series. Their hate for Peyton? I will never understand that. I can´t comprehend BLs at all, but I let it go. No matter what you will have your own point of view of the show, and I will have mine. Just because I don´t agree in the same aspects as you, doesn´t mean I´m stupid nor that I haven´t whatched the show. (from your comment it almost seems like you´re talking to children, which maybe was your intention, or not, but I found it offensive either way).
I don´t know...maybe you accept other people´s opinions like you say, but please stop trying to change your minds and act like all Lps are wrong! It will just be exhausting for you. Like me, just roll your eyes and move on.

Wow... there I was trying to be nice and that's what I get.

All I said was that IN MY OPINION, I don't see how the two things compare. Not that you're stupid or haven't watched the show etc.

And really? We have to bring who we ship in to this? I don't think I've mentioned BL at all in this so why is that even a part of this conversation?

As for my comment asking if she had even watched the show... lol we both just clearly misunderstood the other. It wasn't meant in a bitchy way but whatever.

I was trying to make a point, but obviously you didn´t get it. Whatever, I´m done here.
Go ahead, have the last word.

I cried like a baby!

how about brooke suffering during leyton in season 4???

Nathan was suffering for real! Peyton was just being an idiot, acting like a little child who got mad because she couldn`t get what she wanted!!

Nathan was suffering for real! Peyton was just being an idiot, acting like a little child who didn`t get what she wanted. she think the whole world revolves around her!!!!!

Peyton did many mistakes BUT she was always willing to fight for Lucas. Brooke & Lindsey GAVE UP, never fought for him and realised that Lucas loved Peyton. Obviously none of them were happy, Nathan's scene when Haley left were sad but he was hoping she would come back, he went to visit her on tour and told him she loved him etc.. Peyton losing the love of her love was FOREVER. He asked another women to marry him after HE kissed her. Peyton & Brooke scene was so sad.