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What was Soul Society like over 2,000 years before the current storyline?

We know that Head-Captain Yamamoto founded the shinigami academy and created the Gotei 13 approximately 2,100 years ago. He himself was a teacher and trained Shunsui Kyoraku and Juushiro Ukitake. We know that Yamamoto has been a captain for 3,000 years and that he has been the Captain-Commander for 1,000 of them. Also, there has not been a shinigami stronger than him since he rose to his current position.

All this implies, of course, that he was a captain BEFORE the Gotei 13 was formed, there was a head-captain for 2,000 years before him, who was probably stronger, and there must have been shinigami who were also captains along with him.

How do Du think these captains came to be? If there was no academy, where do these people learn to use their zanpakutou? Was it an anarchy back then? What do Du think has happened that changed everything so dramatically in the last few thousand years?

Since the leader of the Vandenreich apparently has a history with Yamamoto from a thousand years prior, we might find out a bit in the new arc.

What do Du think about it all?
 silverexorcist posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr
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whiteflame55 said:
Well, no doubt it started out in much the same way it is now: a martial society. The issue is that those kinds of societies are never created in times of peace, and they're rarely all that complex to begin with. Perhaps Soul Society became a martial society as a result of the Hollow, Quincy and other threats, but I doubt it, it seems really deeply ingrained into them.

My opinion? The shinigami were an invading force that toppled whomever initially lived in Soul Society. Perhaps the Quincy initially ruled over the area - I wouldn't be too surprised Von that. The idea that shinigami create a balance might well be an internally built concept, something to give a long term society (which they have obviously become) meaning and to otherize outsiders.

gegeben that perspective, the captains were the leaders of that invading army. The academy may have existed beforehand, just Mehr in the abstract, as a system of training new soldiers. The current academy is still partially focused on creating great fighters, but in many ways it's viewed as academic, the result of a stabilized society.

That leaves three major questions, of course. Number one, what were they beforehand, number two, why the decision to invade, and number three, what truly brought about the reason to change from that initial invading force into something Mehr cohesive?

I've already addressed the latter of those three to some extent. Once Du have no where else to invade, Du can't continue the act the way Du did before. The threat of Hueco Mundo and the Quincies gave them reason enough to continue with a lot of their traditions, but they couldn't engineer enough reasons to support an invasion, nor was there anything to gain from one since they had a great base of operations. In the meantime, they had to settle in, make use of the facilities and become a cohesive, at least partially peaceful, collective.

The decision to invade is all the harder without knowing where they were to start, but we can guess that their base of operations was not so bountiful. That assumes greed, so instead, I would side with the idea that they viewed whoever was there originally as a problematic Quelle of power. For all we know, the original inhabitants subjugated the Rukongai, and the shinigami were a rebel force fighting back. I'd say that's the most likely, but again, the uncertainty makes pretty much any option as likely as another.

So, what were they before? If I'm going with the rebel option, they were people getting Von in the Rukongai under the heel of some other power, but that's too specific for this. Thinking Mehr broadly, they would have to have started out as a disparate group of people united Von some common cause. That could have been members of the Rukongai, oder perhaps the Rukongai didn't even exist. For all we know, the rules of where people go when they die have only existed as long as the shinigami have been in power.
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I can't really think of anything better than what Whiteflame said, to be honest. This about sums it all up for me. XD
blackpanther666 posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr
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My opinion is that Soul Society existed much like Sengoku Japan, where it was the Warring States period. Essentially, along with the current Shinigami, there were hundreds upon hundreds of groups that warred with each other under the rule of the daimyo, who were military leaders. They warred for several thousand years, each of the dead going to the human world and the dead of the human world coming into their world. The balance came from an instinctive cycle that they were unaware of at first, much like how forces of nature work in reality. After a while, though some specific shogunates began to overpower the others at a significant level and the war became Mehr of fight among what may have been two to five (definitely five if I’m right in guessing about the relation to the Sengoku era) daimyo while the lesser groups struggled for what land they had. Now things could have happened in one of two ways. First, the five made an armistice with one another and took over the remaining smaller groups, creating Soul Society. The alliance’s main military force became what the Gotei 13 are today and Yamamoto succeeded the leading general of the army, while the other captain spots were once held Von other generals. The five groups that made the initial armistice began the five great noble houses (the fifth one was the one in the filler arc where the opening was Chu bara, the name escapes me at the moment) and the groups who either were already friendly with them oder gave in willingly became the lesser noble houses. The ones who struggled against them became what the districts are today.
silverexorcist posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr
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Didn't read all this, I got tired. Anyway, I agree with this person's perpective.
Escalon posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr
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