Funny I thought Rumple bad the better person by a bit during season 1-2 but currently I think Regina has redeemed herself more well have to see how this plays out.

Regina by far! Rumple IMO has not redeemed himself at all. Maybe when he killed Pan to save Belle/Neal but after that he just ruined it completely. He killed Zelena after he practically promised Belle he would try not to. He didn't even "try" not to kill her. He totally betrayed Belle's trust and when/if she finds out she's going to be heartbroken. I don't think he deserves any more chances now. He's turned into a ridiculous character. Of course, it's probably the way they wanted to write him. Regina on the other hand, has not killed anyone since she turned "good". She's not reverted back to her evil ways, promised not to kill someone then kill them.

Personally I think Regina's first redemption was screwed up and if upset me because she was actually trying before her mother came to town. However after she saved Storybrooke she became so much better. Rumple did sacrifice himself but he lied to his fiancée on his wedding proposal which annoyed me so much.

I think at the time Cora came, Cora was actually right. I don't think they would've fully trusted Regina at that point anyway and they did see her as a snake. She wasn't fully redeemed at that point anyway. I think she was right to choose to be "evil" to get her son back at first. Plus she needed her mother, she had no one. Like everyone says in her own twisted way she loved her, and from 2x12 onwards she seemed to be nice to her. Also if Cora had lived (kind of off topic) she would've been able to kill Greg and Tamara and get Henry back. The boring (IMO) neverland arc wouldn't have happened. Because Regina was too weak after being tortured, Rumple just refused to help so Cora would be able to. That's what annoyed me about her death the most.

Reasons as to why I don't think Rumps was redeemed; link

Reasons as to why I think Regina has been; link

Direct Gold vs Gina Reasons; link




All that aside here are some new reasons.

First and foremost Regina has done so much more good than he has. Regina spent 2 seasons working at redemption and I think it paid off whereas Rumple is still lying through his teeth to Belle about how he's a changed man as he goes off to murder Zelena...the woman Regina spared and actually kind of saved. Regina's redemption arc has been really successful to this point. Rump's was a joke. Okay he stabbed Pan and saved everyone at the cost of his own life. That was the right thing to do. However he turned around and went for vengeance again, something Neal wouldn't have wanted done in his name. Regina had every reason to be mad at Zelena but chose not to kill her. To be honest I don't even think Rumple's redemption arc has even begun; he hasn't made any amends and his actions imply that he's not even trying.

Regina has apologized to various people for wronging them. Like Henry, Ariel and Belle as well as Tink and I think even Snow. Rumple maybe apologized to Belle...but shortly after he just went back and did the same darn thing! Regina was also able to forgive Snow. She and Snow both had realized just how twisted and far back their feud went and decided to just move on. Rumple hasn't even made an indication of wanting to make amends with Hook.

Regina was also able to use light magic. That in itself indicates a personality change. If Regina hadn't been redeemed she probably wouldn't be able to use the magic used by the good guys to save the good guys. Rumple only ever used dark magic and at that time was (yes I know it was by force so I won't hold it against him) working with Zelena.

Regina had also sacrificed herself to help the good side even when she wasn't on their side. She saved them from the fail-safe knowing very well that it may take her own life. She did so claiming something like 'I made this curse it's only fitting that it takes my life.' In that you see a willingness to lay her life down for the people she once tried to kill as well as an admission of wrong doing and a willingness and acceptance of taking responsibility for that. Rumple has not once sacrificed himself to fix something he did. Yes, again, he did sacrifice himself in the Pan situation, and that is great he did good. But it wasn't something he caused and he didn't do it specifically to make up for it.

Regina was also willing to give up magic to patch things up with Henry. Rumps never even tried to give up dark magic. Not for Bae, not for himself, not for anyone. Which leads to the sons point. Regina was willing to do and give up so much for Henry. She'd do anything for the kid. She did everything in her power to get Henry to see that she did love him and that she was sorry. She did the very thing her mother didn't do for her in saying 'I don't know how to love very well [...] I want you to be here because you want to be here not because of magic.' While Rumple did do his best to make up for what he did to Bae he still went around doing things Bae didn't like with 'Lacey' (such as beating up Whale for looking at Lacey wrong). He did so to the point Bae was just like 'you didn't even meet Tamara. I'm here for Henry as far as I'm concerned you can stay the hell away from us both.' To be fair Regina was also doing questionable things as she apologized to Henry--but that was after she was accused of a murder she did not commit and after she thought she'd lost Henry for good. Before that she was helping to bring Snow and Emma back to Storybrooke (which she wouldn't have had to do if Gold didn't send a soul sucking creature after her).

Speaking of thins she did to help Snow and Emma. Gold was the one who manipulated her into letting him curse the well to kill off whoever came though. Okay I get it, he was worried about Cora, but he was also willing to kill off two good people for that fear. Regina was the one who absorbed that curse to save the very people she hated. And Gold seemed almost disappointed that she did.

He was also the first to part from the group in Neverland with plans to kill Henry for being his undoing. However he did turn around and decide to protect Henry instead so that was a good thing. He turned that into something positive.

Lets not let it slip our minds that Rumple is the one who made Regina the way she is now. Cora, Jeff, and Whale had a hand too but it was mostly Rumple. The Seer specifically told him of a girl who'd cast a curse for him and he did everything in his power to make it so. In Quite A Common Fairy she tried to end the lessons with him but brushed it off with that 'you are the feast, I'll see you tomorrow and bring that simmering rage it's all you go' speech. That's not the first time he said something like that. She didn't want to kill the unicorn to continue her lessons yet Rumps basically called her a waste of time and refused to keep teaching her until she did so. And then he Whale and Jeff made an elaborate scheme to bring her hopes--of getting her love back--up only to knowingly break them down so Jeff could get money, Whale could get a heart, and Gold can get his curse. Everyone wins but Regina. He went out of his way to push Regina over the edge.

So lets be fair here and talk about what Rumps did for them. He did so much in season 3 to make sure Henry got back to Storybrooke safely. And he made progress in being ready to die in an attempt to get Henry home. He was willing to lay his life down to show Bae that he was sorry and that he was ready to let go of his cowardice. And then he ended up sacrificing himself to save them from Pan.

All that aside, I'm going to list some bad things both have done and then some good things.
Bad: Rumple
- The soulsucking dementor
- Trying to kill Snow and Emma at the well
- Beating Whale for looking at Belle
- Killing Zelena
- Rigging the tape and faking Zelena's suicide
- Letting Bae fall through the portal alone
- Taking Belle prisoner and treating her as a slave
- Turning the driver who accidentally killed Bae and stepping on him
- Beating Moe
- Stealing the Sheriff's tongue
- Skinning Robin for stealing the wand
- Blowing up Cindy's fairy
- Trying to take her baby
- Trying to kill Henry
- Trying to kill Hook

Bad: Regina
- Casting the curse
- Killing off a village
- Trying to kill Snow and Emma
- Poisoning Henry
- Making Henry feel crazy
- Holding Belle captive
- Ripping hearts out
- Abusing Graham

Longs story short both of them did a lot wrong, both held Belle captive. But they both also did good things.

Good: Rumple
- Went to save Henry
- Tried to trap Pan in a box to save Henry
- Sacrificed himself to stop Pan
- Helped Belle get her memories back
- Protected Belle from Hook
- Gave Henry the necklace to help him with the nightmares

Good: Regina
- Sacrificing herself a few times
- Apologizing to those she wronged
- Giving Ariel another chance to get Eric
- Let Henry go
- Tried to get Emma and Snow back to Storybrooke
- Spared Zelena
- Made amends with Snow

And of course a lot more than that for both of them.

Long story short, both have done both good and bad. And a lot of both. But I think Regina did the most to make up for her wrong doings and I think she did less wrong.

I don't think she was actually responsible for poisoning Henry, if you're referring to 1x22. ^

Yeah that's what I was referring too. Never thought I'd actually actively go against Gina; but it was her fault for making the turnover. Yes she didn't mean for it to go to Henry but it still happened.

^^^ Wow this *applauds*

@Evilregal14 yeah but she did make that turnover to poison Emma, and it was a bad thing of her anyway

Yeah that's what Zanhar1 basically just said :P ^

@Zanhar1 yeah I suppose, I just assumed you only meant /Henry/ and not Emma since you didn't put her in that one :P Plus, did she abuse Graham? I don't remember that.

^ Lol yeah I know it's just when I was writing my comment she hadn't post hers yet so I didn't see it :P

@Bellalovett xD *Bows* Thank you.

@Evilregal Lol yeah, I just didn't include her because I was too lazy to type 'while trying to poison Emma' at the time. :3 It was more verbal abuse. And if you want to go there sexual as some fans claim, but I still don't think she raped Graham.

What Zannie said xD

:3

@XxLalasaysxX this is completely unrelated, but I must ask, is your profile picture Bunny Meyer?!?

Yeah, I was wondering about that...who is she? xD

Zanhar1, she's this AWESOME YouTuber, she's hillarious xD

I'll have to look her up. If she's anything like Jenna Marbles I'll like her.

love you still rumple but Regina spends more effort redeeming herself and staying redeemed. Rumple actually wasn't that bad. he'd stopped being into his own interest to save the town/Henry/others but with the second half of s3 they kept him caged with zelena, see his son die in front of him and lie to belle on a proposal and kill zelena. half of me actually understands the choice he made to kill zelena because she hurt someone he loved (something he won't stand for) and he made his dying son a promise of revenge (1. he already broke his first promise to his boy and won't want to do it again 2. he doesn't break deals minus first one with bae) but the other half of me question the direct lie the writers made him tell to Belle. he isn't really direct like that. he'll play word games (like in broken) or omit (telling how milah died) but i didn't think he'd ever front up lie to Belle like that. so i kinda think its a ploy for a. get zelena off so oz arc can be written off as done b. angst for later c. keep Rumpelstiltskin on the dark side of the force as a variable since Regina is on the redemption train and almost at the last stop!.... also when Belle finds out the writers will have to start writing rumple being good for good's sake and not because Belle told him to

Rumple is somehow trying and somehow he doesn't want to try or he can't fully redeem himself because he just always does something like what he did with the dagger now ,killing Zelene and lying to everyone including his wife ,I hope that will be revealed so he can fully "change" that side of him.
Regina ,on the other hand ,is a good person .
Did she kill people ? Yes she did & generally she did do some pretty awful things to innocent people BUT she regreted it . She wants to become who she was before the magic and before Core decided who she would be . She's trying to redeem herself since S2 ,and she didn't always suceeded but she has found her way to be a hero ,she found a way to realize that what she need and what she wants is love and acception . I think she has balanted perfectly her heroic side with her sassy one and I love that.