Disney-Prinzessin Feminist Disney Prince Countdown! Which Prince is the LEAST feminist? (results based on comments, not votes!)

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27 fans picked:
Shang
   52%
Aladin
   11%
Prince
   11%
Beast
   7%
John Smith
   7%
Eric
   7%
Flynn
   4%
 princesslullaby posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr
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princesslullaby picked Shang:
10. Charming
9. Naveen
8. Phillip
7. ????


Okay, Phillip's gone, now Shang can go
posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr.
 
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JNTA1234 picked Aladin:
I'm not sure really.
posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr.
 
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rhythmicmagic picked John Smith:
I agree with JNTA. I guess it would be down to John or Aladdin. What makes me pick them is that they don't really seem to have all that much respect for their princess. However, Aladdin seems to be a bit more... something that makes him more feminist to me.
posted Vor mehr als einem Jahr.
 
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Jessikaroo picked Shang:
I almost choose Aladdin, but I think Shang can leave.
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BelleAnastasia picked Eric:
It's between the Prince and Eric for me...
Eric is a really, really sweet guy, He treats women with respect and wants them to enjoy his company, which is absolutely adorable! Prince also seems to be the nice and gentle type of guy, who can easily make women like him.
My problem with them both is that we don't really see anything feminist related in their actions. All we see them do is woo the princesses and eventually come to their rescue. But being nice to a girl doesn't mean you are feminist friendly. What we at least see in the other princes is that they might have some doubt in the girls, but eventually they come to realize that women are just as capable and strong as the men. With Eric and Prince we don't see such character development. Both Ariel and Snow White are unable to save themselves and requite male assistance. Which I personally see as a cue for Prince and Eric's that women are not as capable as men.
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LightningRed picked Shang:
He really looks down at woman. He almost kills Mulan just because she's a woman? What's the matter if she's not a man but she can fight well? In the end, he doesn't appreciate Mulan more by only saying "You? You fight good" then Mulan seems to be really disappointed.
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maryksand said:
Ariel and Snow are unable to save themselves? Sorry, but I strongly disagree. Ariel is the one who saved Eric TWICE, it being the one and only reason why he managed to in the end save her. Had it not been for Ariel he would have drown during the storm and finally killed by Ursula when he recklessly jumped under the water where he couldn't even breathe intending to help Ariel out - and as a result ended up being the one in need of help. The only reason why he managed to get out of it alive in the first place (and was able to finally get his moment of heroism when he ultimately destroyed Ursula) was Ariel attacking Ursula and the latter missing the target which was Eric and killing her servants instead.

Snow was less capable of standing up for herself than Ariel, however, while she did depend on the dwarfs, she didn't depend on the Prince nor did he do any sort of ultimate fighting on behalf of saving her and all he did was kissing her which he thought was a goodbye kiss. He didn't mean it as a "I'm a superior male who came to rescue the damsel".
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BelleAnastasia picked Eric:
^ I hope that you understand that being a mermaid and saving a man from drowning is not like the biggest accomplishment ever! It's not even heroic... It's the same as seeing a fish on the beach and throwing it back at the sea, because it can't get there alone. And yes, it was brave of her to pull the witch by the hair, but without Eric's help she wouldn't have survived this. Ursula was going to kill her with the trident if Eric hasn't interfered. As for Snow White... ok so she ran into the dark woods, and went to live with the dwarfs. And then the witch poisoned her, so she needed a prince to save her. Therefore I'm firmly standing behind my statement that both Ariel and Snow White were unable to save themselves...
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maryksand said:
Staying around the burning ship before AND after it's explosion knowing you can get seriously harmed but still choosing to be there in order to make sure a person in danger makes it out alive - and only due to YOUR help - IS heroic (obviously, you aren't going to give Ariel a credit for that though so not going to argue with you since we clearly differ in our perception of the story). Snow was unable to save herself, I agree, however, the pick it not about princesses but the princes and The Prince never for once dominated in his relationship with Snow. Technically, he didn't even know that by kissing her he ends up saving her.
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BelleAnastasia picked Eric:
^ That's what I tried to explain. These man see the girls can't save themselves without men's help. So of course they'll be less feminist friendly than the guys, who can actually see a girl being able to save herself and/or save others.
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maryksand said:
The problem is that the Prince knew virtuously nothing about Snow to make any kinds of assumptions about her strength or ability/inability to stand up for herself. When he was searching for her he didn't know she was in some kind of defined danger and when he finally found her the kiss was merely his way of saying goodbye, not something he knew would save her. Eric never underestimated Ariel's abilities either, when the fight was heating he just stayed by her side like ANY loving person would and not because he thought she cannot handle it herself.
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Swanpride picked Shang:
I stick to Shang...
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AllegroGiocoso picked Shang:
Between him and Aladdin for me.
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princesslullaby picked Shang:
When do you see Eric 'seeing' that Ariel can't save herself? Isn't he IMPRESSED and awed that Ariel saves him? 'A girl...rescued me...' he actually points out the fact that Ariel saves him and his ego isn't blown...a woman saved him and he was impressed. (also by her voice, but the previous point still stands)
Also, Eric steering a ship, when he had been with ships ALL his life and stabbing a large target isn't any more impressive than Ariel's rescues. So I don't see how you keep insisting Ariel needs SAVING when Ariel saves Eric's life twice....that means Eric needs saving as well. It doesn't matter how impressive the rescue, but the way its portrayed in the movie. Ariel staying to rescue Eric when debris is falling and things are on fire IS brave.
Also, I've also LOVED Eric to be the only prince to fall for a princes when she's not at her most beautiful, or a creature of grace. Even Flynn starts to fall for Rapunzel in the kingdom when she's being charming, talented, and pretty. Eric starts to truly fall for Ariel (ignoring 'girl with the voice') in the marketplace, when she's dragging him around, ripping puppets off of hands, steering them nearly over a cliff, & blowing pipes in his servants face. He loves that she's so different and weird and unique. And yeah, you think just because Eric is trying to save his true love he thinks she's incapable of doing it herself? ?! Would you do the same? "Well, my boyfriend's being attacked by wolves but I don't want him to feel like I think he's incapable so I'll let him figure his way out of it."
I seriously don't understand how you can pick Eric (and the prince) because 'he thinks she needs a girl to save him' when the same can be said for Aladdin and Flynn as well. And I agree with what maryksand said about the Prince--- he was kissing her goodbye, not to rescue her. And he wasn't searching for her because he thought she couldn't be rescued-- he just wanted to find her.
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maryksand said:
^ Pretty much and to add to this, Eric fully and entirely let Ariel dominate in their relationship throughout the entire movie without for once feeling ashamed of it and his man ego being damaged. I'm not voting in any of these feminism related picks because as I already mentioned earlier I have too many issues with this ideology in general, however, if I had to pick a prince who is LEAST sexist and is entirely content with girl's ability to handle herself it would be a fair tie between Eric and Flynn. They were only there when they wanted/needed to be there for their girls being in evident danger because that's what loving people do, but never for a second did they underestimate the strength of the girls or their abilities. I'd also like to add that Flynn started falling for Rapunzel during the campfire scene, not because of her appearances but because she was a good listener and provided him a comfort he didn't have for a long time and honestly her behaviour when they reached town came off as even more excitedly psychotic than Ariel's yet it didn't confuse him one bit. Therefore, my choices would definitely be Flynn and Eric, but I canalready predict it's not the way the results are going to turn out.
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princesslullaby picked Shang:
Nah, I saw them starting to be friends in the campfire scene, but okay.
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princesslullaby picked Shang:
I also think Ariel seemed waaaaaay more wild than Rapunzel in the town. At least Rapunzel acted within a code of conduct, I don't see how dancing is really psychotic.
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maryksand said:
Not the dancing but, for instance, grabbing something from the seller on the street without paying, then dragging Flynn away with her and him quickly throwing it back to the seller because he didn't want her to get in trouble, or being all stained in chalk while she was drawing and he was patiently standing there and waiting for her to finish her grand project that her drawing ended up being. Campfire scene wasn't just a random friendly moment but a point of Flynn's life when he chose to share something with this girl that he never shared with anyone else out of fear of being judged or rejected because he seemed to have quite an experience with both. The moment of confusing silence that came shortly after when they just looked into each other's eyes for few seconds with Flynn awkwardly standing up saying barely coherently that he needs to bring more firewood didn't look like a "friendly" moment at all to me.
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BelleAnastasia picked Eric:
Well, that's my opinion. These are the only 2 princes out of the remaining ones, who don't really show how feminist friendly/unfriendly they are. With the other princes however, we watch how they progress throughout their movies, and even though some of them might have started as feminist unfriendly, the change in them by the end of the movies is obvious.
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maryksand said:
Ariel was the one who set all the events of the story (as well as her and Eric's romantic story) in motion as well as the one who gave Eric a chance at surviving and ultimately succeeding twice, both times directly saving his life. Had she not saved him from drowning he would have been dead and the story itself wouldn't have happened the way it did or would have been different, with no happily ever after for Eric, obviously. Second time Ariel was the one and only reason Eric got out of the water alive and got a CHANCE to defeat Ursula. No Ariel standing up for him = no Eric succeeding. They worked like a TEAM in this situation, like two equals. They BOTH saved each other, defeated Ursula and set Triton as well as other victims of Ursula free. Eric and Ariel's relationship were about equality with Ariel dominating at certain points.

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maryksand said:
ETA: sorry, I didn't see you editting your comment. As for other princes, in my opinion the concept of "princes who get development" didn't come off as particulary convincing or organic with most of them (aside from Flynn and Aladdin). Naveen was a womanizer who initially wanted to marry for money and in the end was about to do exactly the same thing, only this time he suddenly felt bad about it and decided to not be a collosal bastard and keep his promise to Tiana. John Smith's male superiority complex was so glaring it might as well be starring, his possessive tendencies was what he came with to Pocahontas' land in the first place and the only reason why he didn't bashed her brains out on their first meeting was the fact that she was hot and exotic. He does have a moment of heroism but it doesn't whatsoever make him feminist friendly, if anything the movie blatantly chose to change the focus from Pocahontas and her doing the saving to Smith by giving him a typical saviour/the one who comes and fixes everything role by the end. Honestly, I don't see why these two are still here.
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princesslullaby picked Shang:
BelleAnastasia, I would understand your point if any of the other princes who started out anti-feminist friendly ended up more feminist-friendly in the end. Perhaps you can make this argument with Shang, but how exactly is Aladdin, Flynn, or Beast more feminist in the end? Or even any more feminist than Eric/Prince?!
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princesslullaby picked Shang:
Naveen /isn't/ still here, though. ...
And getting chalk on yourself while doing a chalk drawing isn't anything outlandish. Sorry, but Ariel was literally acting outside of social norm! I think her conduct was much crazier than Rapunzel's! Rapunzel was just excited, but not outlandish.
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maryksand said:
I agree that SOME things Ariel did were indeed out of social norm, but in the end of the day she was an excited 16 year old who was first introduced to an entirely different world where she was doing things she never did before, not to mention possessing a very limited knowledge on the human world in general therefore everything related to it was entirely new to her. Rapunzel, although never having to face the world previously either, was still more adjusted to the way it worked considering she didn't undergo any transformations and was at least had some basic education - she knew what books and daces are, she just never got to read many books or dance with anyone. Yet her excitement still consumed and took over her composure.


Eric and The Prince being voted out so early makes no sense to me, but whatever, not going to argue on the subject anymore, because clearly me and feminism don't sit well together at all, lol
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