10. Aurora
9. Cinderella
8. ?

Please try to leave your bias out and give concrete reasons why you choose said princess! Also if any of you have an issue about why Snow White is still here, I state in the title this countdown is based on comments for elimination, and Cinderella beat out Snow White with five more people commenting for her removal!

Ahh, Snow White. After a insightful comment from Swanpride during the last Round, I considered picking Jasmine as the next least feminist. She made some excellent points about how Jasmine is all talk and no action. But the more I think about it, the more I agree with princesslullaby that Jasmine does more for the feminist movement than Snow White, even though I do think Snow White is a surprisingly good character very few people give a chance.

Snow White doesn't really do much for herself. The hunter tells her to hide, the animals lead her to the house, she stays inside while the queen is after her, I am determined she feels forced into eating the apple, and the prince wakes her up. Ok, I'm not serious about the staying inside and being woken up thing, but she really is not very self-reliant. Her one saving grace in the feminism department is the control she wields over the dwarfs.
Why can't the Mulan person leave a comment? I seriously want to hear the reasoning for this.

^^I agree about the Mulan person. Seriously we're only three rounds in and people are already picking the most ridiculous choices without giving any reasoning.

i agree

OK, here it is-I think Aurora is the least feminist of them all. Honestly, she's in the film for eighteen minutes and all she does is sing, dance and look pretty. Mulan is the biggest feminist-she saved China for Pete's sake.
However, I do like Belle, and please don't go all Stockholm and Lima syndrome on me; she was the first in stronger, more independent Disney princesses which led to characters like Mulan and Tiana. The girl loves books and has no interest in being wed off, particularly to a misogynist such as Gaston. She gave up her life for her father, and she doesn't mind talking crap about people she doesn't like. I love that part when she tries to help Adam's wound and she keeps standing up for herself. She also saved Adam in the end.
Although I love Mulan, Belle is my personal favorite.

@skyqueen17 Aurora has been taken out of the countdown already, as has Cinderella.

Aww, I've been so busy studying I missed the first two days. Oh well, I knew Aurora would be the first but Cinderella!!! how is she gone?!

Who in the world voted for Mulan? Do they even know who she is?

And in my opinion, Snow should have been out before Cinderella.
Cinderella does try and stand up against her stepmother by asking if she could go to the ball, that was brave! Snow doesn't do well...much of anything in the feminist department.

Mulan saving china does not equal feminist. I hate that reasoning, I really do. 'Mulan saves China' great, how is that a fight for equal rights of women? I'm not saying that Mulan isn't one of the more feminist-friendly princesses
but that's poor logic.

I take this whole countdown with a grain of salt, because none of the princesses are feminist.

Anyway, yeah, Snow White, doesn't really set any examples. Be careful not to give Snow White too much credit, though. She's still a poor role model. And the whole 'she's emotionally strong', frankly, so are all the other princesses.

Considering Swanpride's comment in the previous round. Jasmine is always angry at something but she cannot do anything about it. Even when she kisses Jafar to distract his attention, her plan still doesn't work because Aladdin is shocked that he stops from trying to take the lamp.

I think people don't quite realize what feminism means. So here's a definition of the term:

The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

I think the reasons people give about Snow White are stupid. Being afraid does not necessary mean you are not feminist in your own way. Moreover all of the princesses have been afraid at some point of the movie. I actually think that for a 1930s woman, who enters a dwarfs house, and puts herself as equal to them (even bossing them around and changing things without their consent) is something extraordinary.

For these reasons I personally would leave Snow White in the countdown for 2-3 more days. She's definitely more feminism oriented than princesses like Rapunzel and Ariel, who would be my next choices.

Why I chose Rapunzel? Well, for the whole movie she does not show any desire for equality between genders. She relies on Flynn throughout the whole journey. True, she tries to talk back and fights a bit, but you don't need to be a feminist to do that.

Why I will choose Ariel once Rapunzel is eliminated? Ariel does a lot of stuff, but none of it is particularly feminist. She confronts her father, but she is not aiming at gender equality, just cultural one. She goes out of the sea to chase a guy, but cannot go one step of the way without the constant assistant of her male companions. In fact, she initiates her hunt for Eric, but Sebastian and Flounder are the ones to execute it. She, much like Rapunzel, is incapable of doing anything without the help of men.

I'm just gonna go with Snow, but I don't really find any of the princesses feminists.

@BA Oh please...yes, I know, you don't like Rapunzel, but that she relies on Flynn is simply not true. She leaves the tower on her own terms, by blackmailing him. She doesn't allow him to convince her to go back (if she would relying on him, she would do what he says, not the other way around). She is the one who gets him out of trouble with the thugs, she is the one who rescues him from the guards. The whole way they both are working together to reach their goals, and if that is not a statement for gender equality, I don't know what is. And in not one single DP the matter of gender equality is adressed, not even in Mulan, which plays with the concept, but nothing else, so why slam tangled for it?
I stick to Jasmine....I still think that a failing action heroine is worse than a housewife, who manages to deal with difficult situations. Because the latter one says: There is hidden strength in woman, while the former says: No matter how strong a woman pretends to be, in the end she will never survive without the help of a man.

@Swanpride: That's not true. Show me where did I say that I don't like her... I really like Rapunzel. But it's biased of you not to see the obvious things just because she's your favorite -____-

If she was so capable of doing the things herself, then why did she have to wait for Flynn to come over, so she can leave her tower? Why didn't she leave it before? This shows how dependable she is of him.

@princesslullaby - thats why i dont join the countdown XD


its interesting, yes..
but these are fictional characters, who were designed to tell fairytale stories.. none of them is feminist and they dont need to be in my opinion.. people who say they need to be that, in order to be rolemodels... are people who let their kids sit in front of the tv all day, because they are to lazy to raise their kids alone and give them stuff like this on the way..

but i really love to see the results and to read the comments.. the classic princesses going first? WHAT a surprise XD

maybe we should do a countdown like this with the heroines, on another spot of course, that would be interesting X3

I really HATE voting against Snow White so early in countdowns, as people may have seen haha, but the others are simply just more feminist-friendly than her, as mentioned in comments above (sorry I know that's a boring answer but everyone's already explained it) there's no way one of the others remaining should leave before her IMO. i'm happy that she beat Cinderella/Aurora though, i thought it was certain she'd be out first.

I'm guessing the people who voted for Mulan thought it said "feminine"? lol

or maybe they just dont want her to "win" this XD
but, yeah.. it is kind of weird..

Swanpride I am sorry to ask this and I am not starting a fight but what did you mean by your Housewife refrence? My mother was a Housewife and I was until recently but I don't see it as "needing" a man....and I agree with you on your Rapunzel statement....she did not Need Fynn, she Used him for her own plans and she did not wait for him....he just so happen to fall into her lap and she took advantage of the situation...The reason she did not leave on her own is because she was torn between being a good, respectful,obiedent daughter and doing something she wanted, plus Gothel had just said no once before Flynn and it was not till after he was in her closet that Gothel showed her true colors and Rapunzel realized she had to be sneaky...so it is BS when people said she waited for Flynn....She 1. waited till her 17th (or was it 18?) B-day since she was older and mature to ask Gothel if she could leave...she was going the honest and respectful rout first....2.Gothel said no because Rapunzel was weak and then Gothel left for about an hour or so and Rapunzel went about her bussiness...3.Flynn suddenly shows up and Rapunzel hits him and freaks and then thinks...AHA! I will use him to show Mom I am strong and can go see the lights...once agin going the respectful route....4.Gothel Shuts her down and freaks before Rapunzel can explain herself so she is smart and keeps quiet and then comes up with a sudden plan to use Flynn 5. Rapunzel lies and gets Gothel out of the tower and then precedes to threaten Fynn and Blackmail him and thus gets her way....but also plans on getting back and still being the good obiedent daughter....It could have been anybody that day that she used (it just so happened to be a good looking young man with knowledge of the lights...she was using him for his knowledge of the kingdom not his manliness)

This is a very painful vote for me because I hate voting for Snow White early on in countdowns, but compared to everyone else left, I think she's the least feminist. After her I would pick Ariel, Rapunzel, or Jasmine.

Mulan has votes? omfg

I'm not sure Mulan is so feminist after all. She saved China because she wanted to bring honor to her family. Didn't she previously concede to go to the matchmaker? I'd say she can be one of the bravest, but deep in her heart I'm sure she doesn't mean to be a feminist. (But compared to some of the others, she is more of a feminist.)

Nobody is so feminist, after all. Even Pocahontas brings peace to both sides only so that she can go with John Smith. Perhaps the closest one is Belle, because she despises Gaston for saying, "It's not right for a woman to read. Soon she starts having ideas, and thinking...."

^ then i dont get that you pick jasmine, i mean after your belle reason... " i am not a prize to be won!" or in other words - just because i´m a woman, doesnt mean that you can decide whatever you want, that has to do with my life

Swanpride- I think it is very interesting about the messages of a woman portrayed through Snow and Jasmine, and I actually think you have something there. However, I would say gender equality is addressed in Pocahontas (if you consider addressed as being present) because Pocahontas is told she will be a leader to her people and her gender never even really comes into play if I recall correctly, not even Governor Ratcliffe mentions her gender, it was simply her race.

I changed my vote because I agree with what BelleAnastasia said about Rapunzel. But I don't agree about Ariel. She saved a man's life, that's gotta earn her afew points. Also Ariel teaches girls that you don't have wait around for your prince to come. SHE go afters HIM, SHE rescues HIM. Ariel is a good example of women taking action. That's what I like about TLM, Ariel sort of takes on the man's role, the roles are switched. SHE's the one going on an adventure and taking risks to be the one she loves. ERIC is the one waiting for love and being pursued.

This is too much--- but let me just say yes, BelleAnastasia's definiton of feminism is correct, but just because a princess doesn't actively fight for the equal rights of men and women, does not mean she is any less feminist-friendly. If that were true, Jasmine (& to some extent Belle) is the ONLY one who ACTIVELY fights for equal rights on the basis of her gender, and should automatically win the countdown. But there are other factors to bring into play.

In regards to Rapunzel, to me it is point-blank denial to say that she didn't rely on Flynn. Yes, she blackmailed him---blackmailed him into TAKING HER TO SEE THE LANTERNS. She blackmailed him for reliance on him. If she truly was NOT reliant on Flynn, She wouldn't have needed him at all. That would be more feminist-friendly than what Rapunzel does. She doesn't even take initiative to leave the tower UNTIL Flynn shows up in her tower--- it's not like she kidnapped him and forced him up there, or coaxed him. I understand that her reliance on him was necessary, nevertheless, to sit here and say that Rapunzel didn't need Flynn or rely on him to some extent is ridiculous.

But the fact also remains that Jasmine still serves as a better example in being proactive and making an attempt to change her situation and fight back against gender roles, rather than Snow White and Cinderella, who don't really do anything to change the face of modern feminism.

Guys, do NOT give Snow White too much credit. Although she may have situated herself in her household and became boss, it is far outweighed by the gender stereotypes she assumes for women.

And, @SwanPride- You say Jasmine uses her womanly wiles to trick Jafar and that it's poor for feminism, but isn't that /exactly/ what Snow White does? Uses her girly charms and the promise of cooking and cleaning to convince the dwarfs to let her stay?? And doesn't she do the same thing (baking pies, flirting) to win over Grumpy?


Finally, I think Ariel & Rapunzel shouldn't be going this round, at all. Both show some very strong feminist traits--- Ariel fights directly back against her male oppressor and requires no male assistance to achieve her dreams-- in fact, Eric never really realizes her dream for her, and only Triton in the end turns her human. The song 'Part of Your World' is all about refusing the oppression and about growing up and standing strong on her own 'bright young women, sick of swimmin, ready to stand', I would say that song is one of the most feminist-friendly Disney has produced, if not the most. She also becomes the pursuer in this case, winning over the prince, which is pretty atypical.
Rapunzel was the first princess to actively blackmail her prince and use him to her advantage, thus obtaining some real villainous power over him while still being portrayed as a heroine. She does save his life numerous times, intentionally, and they do work together--- the issue here is that females are already on lower footing then males, so the fact that Rapunzel is FIRST in a higher power than him, and then once he concedes to her and begins to treat her kinder theat they begin to seriously work together, is great.

Completely agree with rhythmicmagic on Pocahontas.

Again, NONE of the princesses have female-right advocacy, really. It's not necessarily about intention, but what they do.