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Disney-Prinzessin Most Feminist DP Countdown! Tag 3: Pick the LEAST feminist. (Elimination based on comments!!)
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Snow White
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Mulan
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Rapunzel
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Belle
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Pocahontas
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Tiana
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9. Cinderella
8. ?
Please try to leave your bias out and give concrete reasons why you choose said princess! Also if any of you have an issue about why Snow White is still here, I state in the title this countdown is based on comments for elimination, and Cinderella beat out Snow White with five more people commenting for her removal!
Ahh, Snow White. After a insightful comment from Swanpride during the last Round, I considered picking Jasmine as the next least feminist. She made some excellent points about how Jasmine is all talk and no action. But the more I think about it, the more I agree with princesslullaby that Jasmine does more for the feminist movement than Snow White, even though I do think Snow White is a surprisingly good character very few people give a chance.
Why can't the Mulan person leave a comment? I seriously want to hear the reasoning for this.
However, I do like Belle, and please don't go all Stockholm and Lima syndrome on me; she was the first in stronger, more independent Disney princesses which led to characters like Mulan and Tiana. The girl loves books and has no interest in being wed off, particularly to a misogynist such as Gaston. She gave up her life for her father, and she doesn't mind talking crap about people she doesn't like. I love that part when she tries to help Adam's wound and she keeps standing up for herself. She also saved Adam in the end.
Although I love Mulan, Belle is my personal favorite.
Cinderella does try and stand up against her stepmother by asking if she could go to the ball, that was brave! Snow doesn't do well...much of anything in the feminist department.
but that's poor logic.
I take this whole countdown with a grain of salt, because none of the princesses are feminist.
Anyway, yeah, Snow White, doesn't really set any examples. Be careful not to give Snow White too much credit, though. She's still a poor role model. And the whole 'she's emotionally strong', frankly, so are all the other princesses.
The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
I think the reasons people give about Snow White are stupid. Being afraid does not necessary mean you are not feminist in your own way. Moreover all of the princesses have been afraid at some point of the movie. I actually think that for a 1930s woman, who enters a dwarfs house, and puts herself as equal to them (even bossing them around and changing things without their consent) is something extraordinary.
For these reasons I personally would leave Snow White in the countdown for 2-3 more days. She's definitely more feminism oriented than princesses like Rapunzel and Ariel, who would be my next choices.
Why I chose Rapunzel? Well, for the whole movie she does not show any desire for equality between genders. She relies on Flynn throughout the whole journey. True, she tries to talk back and fights a bit, but you don't need to be a feminist to do that.
Why I will choose Ariel once Rapunzel is eliminated? Ariel does a lot of stuff, but none of it is particularly feminist. She confronts her father, but she is not aiming at gender equality, just cultural one. She goes out of the sea to chase a guy, but cannot go one step of the way without the constant assistant of her male companions. In fact, she initiates her hunt for Eric, but Sebastian and Flounder are the ones to execute it. She, much like Rapunzel, is incapable of doing anything without the help of men.
I stick to Jasmine....I still think that a failing action heroine is worse than a housewife, who manages to deal with difficult situations. Because the latter one says: There is hidden strength in woman, while the former says: No matter how strong a woman pretends to be, in the end she will never survive without the help of a man.
If she was so capable of doing the things herself, then why did she have to wait for Flynn to come over, so she can leave her tower? Why didn't she leave it before? This shows how dependable she is of him.
its interesting, yes..
but these are fictional characters, who were designed to tell fairytale stories.. none of them is feminist and they dont need to be in my opinion.. people who say they need to be that, in order to be rolemodels... are people who let their kids sit in front of the tv all day, because they are to lazy to raise their kids alone and give them stuff like this on the way..
but i really love to see the results and to read the comments.. the classic princesses going first? WHAT a surprise XD
maybe we should do a countdown like this with the heroines, on another spot of course, that would be interesting X3
I'm guessing the people who voted for Mulan thought it said "feminine"? lol
but, yeah.. it is kind of weird..
Nobody is so feminist, after all. Even Pocahontas brings peace to both sides only so that she can go with John Smith. Perhaps the closest one is Belle, because she despises Gaston for saying, "It's not right for a woman to read. Soon she starts having ideas, and thinking...."
In regards to Rapunzel, to me it is point-blank denial to say that she didn't rely on Flynn. Yes, she blackmailed him---blackmailed him into TAKING HER TO SEE THE LANTERNS. She blackmailed him for reliance on him. If she truly was NOT reliant on Flynn, She wouldn't have needed him at all. That would be more feminist-friendly than what Rapunzel does. She doesn't even take initiative to leave the tower UNTIL Flynn shows up in her tower--- it's not like she kidnapped him and forced him up there, or coaxed him. I understand that her reliance on him was necessary, nevertheless, to sit here and say that Rapunzel didn't need Flynn or rely on him to some extent is ridiculous.
But the fact also remains that Jasmine still serves as a better example in being proactive and making an attempt to change her situation and fight back against gender roles, rather than Snow White and Cinderella, who don't really do anything to change the face of modern feminism.
Guys, do NOT give Snow White too much credit. Although she may have situated herself in her household and became boss, it is far outweighed by the gender stereotypes she assumes for women.
And, @SwanPride- You say Jasmine uses her womanly wiles to trick Jafar and that it's poor for feminism, but isn't that /exactly/ what Snow White does? Uses her girly charms and the promise of cooking and cleaning to convince the dwarfs to let her stay?? And doesn't she do the same thing (baking pies, flirting) to win over Grumpy?
Finally, I think Ariel & Rapunzel shouldn't be going this round, at all. Both show some very strong feminist traits--- Ariel fights directly back against her male oppressor and requires no male assistance to achieve her dreams-- in fact, Eric never really realizes her dream for her, and only Triton in the end turns her human. The song 'Part of Your World' is all about refusing the oppression and about growing up and standing strong on her own 'bright young women, sick of swimmin, ready to stand', I would say that song is one of the most feminist-friendly Disney has produced, if not the most. She also becomes the pursuer in this case, winning over the prince, which is pretty atypical.
Rapunzel was the first princess to actively blackmail her prince and use him to her advantage, thus obtaining some real villainous power over him while still being portrayed as a heroine. She does save his life numerous times, intentionally, and they do work together--- the issue here is that females are already on lower footing then males, so the fact that Rapunzel is FIRST in a higher power than him, and then once he concedes to her and begins to treat her kinder theat they begin to seriously work together, is great.
Completely agree with rhythmicmagic on Pocahontas.
Again, NONE of the princesses have female-right advocacy, really. It's not necessarily about intention, but what they do.
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