and no one add he did but he didnt know it crap lol

but honestly i dont know how any one could think he did he didnt love peyton and he as hell didnt love brooke in season one love is a strong word yeh he really liked her but honestly i think people are watchin a different show if they think lucas loved her in season one in season 4 yes of course he did and obv season 5 and 6 but no one he didnt

He'd been in love with her for years. Not something i understand but *shrugs* it does happen.

i agree with sg1

Yea I think that livelovelaugh is right. He obviously liked her and had a deep interest in her. But i wouldn't say that he loved her, not in season 1.
Love really is a strong word. And they hadn't that in season 1. Like Brucas didn't have it in season 1 too..

I agree with sg1

Livelovelaugh, he knew it. He just didn't form it into words till 411. When he fought for peyton (1.13) it wasn't out of lust or infatuation (that was brucas' relationship, which still left Luke wanting). When he said he couldn't bury what happened between them in the motel, and kissed Peyton and she kissed him back, lyrics in the song [in the background] said "I wanna know what it's like, on the inside of love; standing at the gate, I see the beauty of love..."
Mark is very careful & particular (he said it himself) with the music/lyrics he uses in each important scene. I know the lyrics weren't a coincidence and I know they weren't meant to be underplayed. Leyton's so called relationship/affair lasted for a blink of an eye, so they didn't have the opportunity to say they loved eachother. They had just admitted their feelings in 1.13, luke had his accident, then they ended it in 1.15. Rushing into those exposing words of I love you would have looked forced in their 2 episode affair (ppl wouldn't have taken it seriously, and it wouldn't have done leyton justice - those words would have been downplayed; dismissed if they were said so quickly).

Many also have missed an important fact in luke's words in his first book: I was, now, and would always be, In love with Peyton Sawyer. That takes his love back to s1 and carries them all the way through the series. Think about it: When he said I love you in 411, they had JUST started going out. So those words weren't borne from leyton "getting to know eachother" as a new couple. They were borne from the simple clarity luke had in 409 (that flashbacked all the way back to s1 - "I'll be seeing ya").

I don't know how else to put it. Again, it's clear for me.

Cas_Cat_2, it's fine if you don't believe luke loved peyton (despite the damning evidence) in s1, but to respond to what you said, Peyton did love lucas "I just wanna tell him that i'm in love with him!" (1.14).

haha livelovelaugh, i take it you made this question because of the debate you and i got in earlier?? well obviously... i picked ofcourse he did! and i think the results are showing that i'm not the only one that feels this way! :)

everybody feel free to check out my new forum topic that i started! LEYTON vs. BRUCAS! Let your opinions be heard on who you think Lucas should be with!

Lucas has ALWAYS loved Peyton! as kellyerin87 said in the LEYTON vs Brucas forum... when Brucas started dating, Brooke found those letters that Lucas wrote to Peyton that said things like "you're mine forever".. and he wrote those before Brucas! he was just absolutely infatuated with her in season 1, and after she kissed him in the hotel room when he was with Brooke, Lucas went back home and BROKE UP WITH BROOKE to be with Peyton. that just shows how strong his feelings were for her. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LUCAS AND PEYTON!

definately.

i think in the start that it was just a deep crush or really strong feeling in season 1.

like someone said love is a strong word...i think it took awhile for them to be in love with each other.

I'm still making up my mind. I know she was her long time crush and he wanted to be with Peyton, I just thought love is something that develops through time, love is so much more than what they had in s1. I think it's called falling in love because it's a process. Ok I made up my mind, no, he only wanted to be with Peyton. Love comes after. Totally voting now.

yeah it's pretty obvious he loved her then ;)

He didnt!

abs07- I didnt see it in S1...where was the evidence? When she was a bitch to Lucas? or When they were cheating? or when they finally could be together but Peyton walked away? or in S2 when Lucas picked Brooke over Peyton, or in S3 when he declared his love for Brooke over and over.
Yes Lucas wanted to be with Peyton but he didnt love her. He didnt even know her! He just liked the idea of Peyton... which changed after first season, and he didnt wanna be with her.

saBRUCAS, did you read my comment at all??? I wrote you the evidence. Read it again, and go watch it (s1e13, s1e14). Ok, so you're using the fact that peyton was a b*tch to luke for a few episodes as a counterargument??? She didn't even know the guy all that much yet. Not to mention she was going through a lot and didn't know how she felt. Once she started falling for him, she wasn't a "b*tch" to him at all! and hello, did you not see when Brooke was a schmuck to Luke in s3 (sleeping with chris keller, biting Luke's head off for going out with rachel after she asked him to, snapping at him @ Naley's wedding BEFORE she even found out about the kiss, and there's more, but I'm kindof in a rush to go out)??? Did that mean she didn't love him? Or when Luke pretty much called Brooke a skank in s3e9 or called her psychotic in s3e13, did that mean he didn't love her? So don't even. Every couple/couple of individuals who yes, LOVE eachother, still fight. So that's a weak argument to use.

Can you speak for every couple that has had an affair and say that it was purely lust? Many ppl cheat cause they fall in love with other ppl. I won't condone the cheating, but you're mentioning it cause it pissed you off on brucas' behalf. It's hardly a counterargument for Leyton's love. You and I know if Leyton stayed together after what they did to brooke it would NOT have been right. It would have made them lesser people. Notice that it was PEYTON who ended it (the perfect act of love is sacrifice - Peyton sacrificed Luke for Brooke's sake). Brooke was her best friend. Luke seemed more sorry toward peyton for the whole thing if anything. Peyton performed a selfless act in letting him go (s3e10: There was this guy that I loved and I let him go). It was not because she ever stopped loving him! notice the tears when she walked away?!

& Can you really sit there and say that luke picked Brooke over Peyton in s2 with a straight face?? Peyton wasn't even an option! She was with Jake! Luke couldn't "choose" peyton if he wanted to. She had her own journey to walk, and so did he. So don't even. You can interpret s1 as feelings, not love. I don't care, but your argument to back your claim up is weak. I stated evidence that literally has the word love stapled to it in both instances (lyrics in s1e13 and words from Luke's book which you can dispute till you're blue in the face, but the evidence remains there). Cold hard facts. You're pulling out circumstances and stamping them how you wish. So believe what you want.

i have a hard time believing lucas was in love with peyton in season one, his feelings for her never developed in season one in my opinion, i never saw them in that first season grow any further than the crush he had for her in the very beginning before he ever even knew her properly. it was a crush, a strong one, but love? back then on what i saw, no i dont think that was love, it could have became it and i think in many respects it did later become love.

BROODY

he ever even knew her properly He knew peyton more than you think. That's why he felt connected to her from the beginning - before he even spoke to her. It wasn't only her "tangled mess of hair" that made luke fall for her. He took one look at her and hit it on the nose when he described her as "lonely" in english class. The look of exposure on her face was priceless. Not to mention that he was the only one who saw her heart in her sketches which helped him as well ("don't forget to smile", have meaningless sex with faceless jok, brush perfect hair, they're not you, etc.). and told her to her face that she was "just scared" to let her artwork get published. He also was the only one that noticed that Peyton wasn't happy with Nathan or in general - and he knew she drank alot because of it (1.04 for example). Not to mention peyton eventually started opening up to him (didn't take long either cause Luke asked her questions left and right eager to get to know her): She told him about her art (I wanna draw something that means something to someone), about why she bothers staying with nate (sometimes it's good, sometimes there's no one else), about her mom, about her dad (how she died which resulted in Larry being gone all the time and she pretends to like the arrangement; talked about the bracelet he gave her), i'm sure i'm missing some...Luke did know peyton from the beginning, before he even had to ask her questions. And through luke's words and actions, peyton knew luke: he opened up to her the first time he saw her (talking about dan, his mom and how it affected him), then when peyton talked about wanting her art to mean something to someone (if I can't be great @ it then I don't wanna ruin it, it's too important to me), luke says, yeah, me too. Luke also told her about his love/frustration with basketball; he told her about his love for books, etc. He submitted her artwork to thud, he told her dad about how peyton really felt about him being gone all the time, he told her her art mattered, he gave her advice she needed to hear when she didn't even ask for it, he was there for her when she thought her dad might be dead, etc.). That's why they fell in love with eachother: they realized they were soulmates (similarities in life) so early in their friendship turned affair. They also realized the ingenuity of eachother's hearts. That's what I saw. Not to mention Peyton said "I'm in love with him" and when leyton kissed in 1.13 after admitting their feelings to one another, lyrics played "I wanna know what it's like, on the inside of love; staring at the gate, I see the beauty of love". As i've said before, Mark mentioned he's very particular of the lyrics in songs when he uses them in important scenes. So he wouldn't have put those lyrics in that scene only to have them downplayed or ignored. They spoke the truth. Being a brucas fan, I'm sure you don't see the stuff i talked about as important as we saw it, but it went deeper than you think. I was never a brucas fan, so it took me a while to see the ingenuity of brucas' relationship in s2/3. You don't have to agree, but damning evidence about leyton being in love in s1 says otherwise ;)

i jus cant see how he could love someone he barly new i mean yeh he was totally in lust with her and was infatuated with her and obviously liked her a hell of a lot more than he liked brooke i jus cant see this as love wel if this is love ive been in love many of times

livelovelaugh, you saw it as lust, but lust can only go so far. Lust is physical; sensual, sexual desire/craving, passion. Leyton had an emotional connection that went beyond lust. You're an intelligent girl, I'm sure you can see leyton's relationship in s1 as more than lust (given its restricted definition). They only kissed a few times for crying out loud (6 instances in total I believe). The rest was talking. A lot of talking, & they barely even flirted. Lust doesn't involve a lot of talking. Love is a strong affectionate emotion. The strongest that there is. Many brucas fans found leyton boring because they didn't have enough "lust" in their relationship & cause they talked too much. Their love may not be the kind you're used to (given the cheating which could easily make ppl see lust & nothing more), but it still is a form of it. They only had 2 episodes to be together, so that didn't give fans/haters/dislikers a lot of time to even see their love in action. But it doesn't mean we can dismiss the possibility.

I don't expect you to flip a switch and say "ok they were in love", but for you to brand their strong emotional connection as strictly lust is a little close minded, even if you're a brucas fan. I'm not saying lust didn't have a part in their relationship; it has a part in every relationship - it's healthy. but if you're gonna say that leyton's relationship was mostly lust when they kissed 6 times, flirted a few times, but talked till they were blue in the face 80% of the time, then don't get me started with brucas in s3 as they danced around eachother before they finally started dating (cause they also were in love - since the end of season 2; & when they started dating they went "days without a meaningful conversation" like the ones they had in s2; it's not to say they had none in s3, but they were a lot less numerous - what were numerous, were the sexual/intense makeout scenes, the flirting, the playful banter, the dirty talk & the foreplay).

i get what your saying but ok maybe lust was the wrong word but to me love is where you have a strong connection with someone and yes leyton had that strong connection but nothing more like you said they only kissed four times but your right we only saw a few episodes of them together you cant specd that little time with someone and love them no matter how much you know them it takes time and effort and honesty they wernt being true to themselves they did the right thing of putting there feelings aside to stop the people around them hurting they couldnt be themselves if they new they were hurting people i have no problem saying they were in love in season four because they were that was love but season one love seriously i jus dont see it ive had that situation with guys a number of times where you have a strong connection and kiss a couple of times have the same interests and the same things they did and hell that wasnt love

All those things you just said are what it takes to build a relationship. Not to love someone. It's easy to love someone - in a short amount of time. like I said, they only kissed a few times, but kissing doesn't mean love; it's an expression of love; it doesn't change the fact that the love was there. Think about this: brooke fell for luke 4 episodes into their relationship. I believed her; cause the heartache and the fact that her feelings carried onto season 3 shows us that. The fact that leyton's love got in the way of brucas who had established their relationship in s3, says something. Their love grew stronger and became irrefutable by 409. The fact that luke admitted he had been in denial since s1 and admitted he'd always love peyton says something. You can't put a stamp on how love comes to play. It develops quickly for some (rare in reality; happens to soulmates in particular) and it's a process for others (like brucas). Your relationship with guys that involved strong connections is not the same. I won't pretend to know your life story, but the fact that you can talk about them in such a passé way, is the difference. Leyton never did truly let go - and they couldn't say anything bad about eachother. They couldn't stay away from eachother for a reason beyond the normal "rules of friendship" - and brooke noticed it. It's fine if you didn't feel it (especially being a brucas fan/leyton disliker), but bottom line: mark wouldn't have put the lyrics in that scene in 1.13 and peyton wouldn't have said "i'm in love with Him" in 1.14 for nothing. I'll admit that their love was undeveloped; Immature even (given their age & how new & quick their love sprouted). but it doesn't mean that there wasn't strong evidence of its existence from season 1. That's all I'm saying.

i didnt mind leyton in seson one i wasnt a fan of either brucas or leyton so that has nothing to do with it until i became a brucas and jeyton fan in season 2
your a leyton and and im a brucas fan we are going to have different opinions and i wil never understand yours as you wil never understand mine and we obviously have different definitions of love as it that is love then i would be seriously worried in what type of world this is i dont see them as love in that season and never wil

that's ok. I just had to respond to your lust thing, then I wanted to respond to your definition of love. for the record I do understand your opinion. as I said, I never disagreed about the fact that you see love as a process (as you saw the case with brucas, and i'm sure you appreciated its realism). I just don't restrict love's birth to the one definition, but to at least two (and not because of leyton - i've always felt that way from life's experiences & yes, from movies and tv shows, lol) :)

guess we'll agree to disagree :) Good debate :)

yes it was and we always will agree to disagree lol

I don't understand why people find it so difficult to admit Lucas was in love with Peyton. Lucas noticed Peyton long before she noticed him but in 1.14 she clearly states, 'I'm in love with him'. Even Brooke after few episodes stated she loves Lucas. If Peyton and Brooke developed these feelings in such short time, why couldn't Lucas develop feelings for Peyton [since he watched her since 8th grade] & had a connection with her for 15 episodes? It's true falling in love takes time, but I find it more difficult to fall in love in four episodes than in 15 episodes.