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Mark only accidentally stumbled onto BL, and never meant for them to be "real".

Interesting, I've never heard this theory! As a LP fan, I don't even believe that one at all. Maybe Mark did just stumble upon BL in one way or another. We'll never know how that idea really came to light. But either way, he clearly DID mean for them to be real, if he gave them scenes such as the destiny shot, etc. :)

And I don't personally consider the other one as a "theory" at all. Mark said it himself. It's not as if us LP fans pulled it out of our asses or something, it's a quote directly from the creator of the show. I don't think it gets any more real, or legit than that. Just my opinion. :P

Neither one bother me THAT much.

If Mark accidentally stumbled onto BL and never meant for them to be true love... well, then I guess he just got really lucky. His intentions don't really matter... what matters is what we got out of it. And I know that I got one of my favorite tv couples out of it. I don't care how BL came to be, I'm just happy they were the incredible couple they were.

And I do think it's true that the pilot was created with the idea that Lucas & Peyton were meant to be. But, does that mean I think the rest of the show reflected on that? Absolutely not.
Lots of shows have an idea and vision for a pilot and then as the show grows, so do the story lines. They grow, change, and adapt for lots of different reasons. So I do think that the pilot was designed for Lucas & Peyton to be together... but that doesn't mean the rest of the show ended up being that way.

^ what she said.

& this just bothers me, because you just know that it's not true. If Mark wanted LP from the start he would have put so much more effort into them in the first seasons & not ust let LP slip away after some episodes from season 1.
I thinnk he just said it because he is a huge LP fan or turned into one after Chad & Sophia become big LP supporters & decided to calm the Brucas fans {bc they were going crazy in season 4} that he never actually meant to have bl as endgame , so that people thought what he did with bl was fine, eventhrough it wasn't.
It just seems odd to me because he never meantioned anything about LP becoming endgame in s1-s3 ust after bl were over for sure, because I think people would have freaked out if lucas would have just ended up with an random girl.

It just seems odd to me because he never meantioned anything about LP becoming endgame in s1-s3

ofcourse he didn't. do you really expect him to give away that kind of insight, when the triangle is still going on? that wouldn't make much sense. why would he say that when BL is still in the picture, and us as an audience is suppose to still be wondering who lucas will end up with? you can't give away something like that until the triangle is over. which is what he did. it wasn't just that Chophia were over, the STORYLINE of BLP also happened to be over, which meant it was ok for mark to finally speak about what his endgame intentions are/were

I don't understand how people can watch the pilot, and honestly deny that it was all about LP, and that they were set up as THE couple by the time it was over. mark isn't just running his mouth about rubbish. his words are 110% supported in that episode. some people just dont want to admit, or even accept it

^ well but he strangely mentioned it in season 4? when he knew too well that the show was still going for another year [maybe more?}

the blp triangle wasn't over for me in season 4 , it was over when Lucas made that call & decided to spend the rest of his life with Peyton. That's when I knew for sure these 2 are going to be together for the rest of their lives & that the triangle is over. But in season 4 it was still going the entire time when brooke walked in on LP making out & that awkward feeling came up , peyton being jealous , stuff like that & then in season 5 the friendship of BL was amazing & many blers hoped to a reunion! :)
Also we had Lindsay , who for sure we all knew wasn't going to be in the picture for a long time , but it was just another traingle that started.

so that theory about mark didn't want to ruin anything doesn't make any sense , to me at least, because he kind of always already told waaaay to muc about upcoming storylines. :/

^ I think TBSAC was referring to him not wanting to ruin or spoil the BLP storyline, specifically. Which I agree with. It really wouldn't have made much sense for him to say anything to that extent (about either couple) in seasons 1-3. But come season 4, after he chose Peyton, the BLP triangle WAS very much over. And Mark obviously knew that, otherwise I doubt he would have said anything like that. Yes, there were some awkward moments between the 3 of them. But that doesn't mean that the triangle was still in play. If anything, that's just the aftermath of the triangle, and showing the struggles of the 3 of them starting to move on, and learning how to be comfortable with how it played out.

Mark probably didn't even think about ruining the LLP triangle when he said that, because he probably hadn't even planned that storyline at that time. Or any storylines past season 4 for that matter. He didn't even know that the show was going to be around for a season 5. It was popular speculation at the time that season 4 very well could have been the final season. So it does make perfect sense for him to finally release his thoughts on LP then, if he knew that BLP were over, or thought that the show would probably be ending soon anyway.

But ofcourse that's just how I see it!

The other option isn't completely absurd. Mark did say that from the beginning he had intended Leyton to be endgame, but I believe along the way his decision became clouded. I really think that Mark had a difficult choice, and wasn't so sure at times. The second option is kinda goes along with the first and I absolutely do not think that is true. Lucas was clearly in love with both Brooke and Peyton. Obviously in the end one love was stronger, but that doesn't mean what they had wasn't real and didn't have the potential to become everlasting. *Not to be rude to anyone but if any couple is the "IT" couple, it would be Naley.*