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PREFACE - THE JEALOUS-FALLACY IN ITS MANY FORMS

Alright, I have already dissected one very common fallacy invoked Von some Twilight Fans and a few Harry Potter Fans as well, the Edward-fallacy. I shall not discuss that one but instead I will be moving on and examine another common fallacy invoked Von some fans, using what I believe is the two most common forms of it.

"YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS, THEREFORE YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID"

Firstly, let us examine the logical reasoning behind "You are just jealous, therefore your argument is invalid".
It is invoked when any Fan post an argument and employes this one as rearguard to fend off counter arguments; oder it is used as an counter argument alone. In essence, Von their logic, invoking jealousy immediately dismisses the opponents argument as defeated, and not worthy of any further discussion.

Now, this type of argument is one of the most atrocious fallacies in existence. Instead of counter-arguing against the opponents arguments, it dismisses them Von attacking the merit of the person who put the original argument forward. The formal name is Argumentum ad hominem (argument to the person - personal attack fallacy), and in my opinion it is one of the vilest fallacies one can commit.

Von insulting/attacking the opponent in a debate, one immediately loses several vital things, like respect. Further, insulting one's opponent has not moved the Debatte vorwärts-, nach vorn as the original arguments remain untouched, and therefore stands until a proper counter-argument takes them down.
In conclusion, calling one's opponent jealous is not helpful at all for one's cause. It firstly removes one's respectfullness; secondly it allows an opponents arguments to stay in place, which is basically handing one's opponents the victory. Now isn't that extremely beneficial for one's cause? Innit?

"YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS OF ME, THEREFORE MY SERIES IS BETTER"

Secondly, we shall examine the above quote. We pose one important question: Why is this argument false?
Firstly, let us see if there are any connection between these two statements: A persons jealousy and a book series' quality. Then I shall prove to Du that jealousy is dependant of quality and not the other way around.

The level of jealousy of any person is most often a most personal feeling. It comes when any other person around us possesses something we do not possess, while this something is a thing we desire to have. Then we are jealous.
The quality of any book series of anything is dependent of several things. The grammatical correctness of the prose and therefore the ability to easily navigate the text, the level of interest they raise in us, the difficulty of the words in the prose, the moral message they present, et cetera. Whereas jealousy only touches the quality of a book series if and only if it is already possessing good quality, for who would even be interested in a book for starters if it is riddled with misspellings, faulty sentence order and promotes values we despise? Let alone desire to possess it?

Thus, jealousy is dependent on the quality of a book series, since it appears after the establishment of sagte quality. Therefore stating that quality is dependent on jealousy is inherently contradictory to the above proven hypothesis. So Von stating the Sekunde hypothesis, one is obliged to prove it in its own term to defeat the contradiction.
As of yet, no one has presented me with convincing evidence that quality is dependent of jealousy. Since I compiled proof of my hypothesis (that jealousy is dependent of quality), I hazard to say that it stands.
Therefore, jealousy depends on quality, not the other way around. Quod Erat Demostrandum - Which was to be proven.

SUMMA SUMMARUM

To call one's opponents jealous while not counter-arguing sagte opponents arguments hands sagte opponents the victory Von fiat, while being simultaneously fallacious and unworthy of respect. While arguing that "You're jealous of my book series, therefore my book series has quality" is at least a very false argument.
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From link

The Twilight vs. Harry Potter Debatte : Team Potter and Team Twilight take on Frage #1

December 24, 12:44 AM
Von Michelle Kerns, Book Examiner

If Du haven't met the members of the Twilight versus Harry Potter Debatte Team, cast your eye on their qualifications here.
Now, on to the debate! If you've got your own opinions (and what self-respecting Twi-hard oder Potter head doesn't?), feel free to leave a Kommentar at the bottom of the page. However, let's remember we are civilized witches, wizards, vampires, and werewolves...
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posted by mariella721
Okay guys, I know everyone's got their own opinion and not everyone has the RIGHT opinion, but as a Twilight fan, can one of Du Potter Fans explain what Du guys see in Harry Potter? Honestly, I haven't read all the books, but I've seen all the Filme and they just don't make any sense. And another thing, the plot is bland and there's no real depth to it, like in Twilight. Harry Potter, also has no Liebe in it, which makes for a boring story. Anyways, I just wanted to know what Du crazies see in those Bücher and stuff...

Okay...
See ya :D

Mariella
xxx
1. its just all thrown together and the Filme leave out way to much.
2. it has no meaning just a girl falls in Liebe then is a vampire the end.
3. is just plain stupid.simple as that
4. theres nothing to figure out. its to predictable.
5. it dosent have enough back story which goes back to # 1
6.and stephine myer wants to keep all the good players while j.k. isnt afraid to for the sake of the book
7.why doesnt she mentention why bellas parent got seperated which geos back to #4
8. it has no plot
9. the problem is the same all the way throughout the sires as h.p. faces many problems.
10.its down right boring hmm lets read the same boring thing over and over! yea! NOT!
TEN REASONS TWILIGHT IS HORRIBLE!!!!
posted by RavenclawRocks
Before Du all come out with pitchforks and guns, I'd just like to say this is my opinion.

1, Half of the Fans only like Twilight, because they think Rob/Taylor is hot.

2, I can't argue about the plot because there isn't one.

3, Bella has no personaility.

4, Edward is just plain creepy.

5, Bella always needs a man in her life. When Edward leaves she needs Jacob. This is really stupid.


6,Bella wouldn't even look at Edward if he wasn't hot.

7, Edward wouldn't look at Bella if she didn't smell good.

8, It gives a bad message. Like kill yourself when your sparkly boyfriend is around. oder there is no point in being happy unless Du have a boyfriend. oder it's ok to ditch your Friends to datum a super hot vampire.

9,Meyer constantly repeats the same words to tell us how hot Edward is. This gets boring after two pages.

10, The actors suck.


There,ten reasons. Feel free to add on more.
posted by i-am-mariella
I’ve seen articles, like bri-marie’s, comparing Bella, Twilight’s “heroine” to the girls and female role Models of the Harry Potter Bücher like Hermione and Ginny. I agree with them whole-heartedly and I am happy to follow in the footsteps of strong women from Harry Potter – like Ginny, who is fierce and pretty bad-ass and just insgesamt a strong female, and Hermione, who is studious and smart and witty and the boys often rely on her skills and “genius.” Because let’s face it – and Ron says it himself – where would they be without Hermione?
So I wanted to make my own because...
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"This KISS between Hermione and Ron is highly anticipated, it's been building up for eight films now. And Harry Potter is not Twilight, Du know; we're not selling sex." - Emma Watson

If Du think Emma Watson is stupid for quoting this, Du are outta your mind. Du think Twilight's not selling sex? Irony. Irony how some twi-hards reason out "BECAUSE EDWARD CULLEN IS SO SEXY!!!" if asked why Twilight is better than Harry Potter.

For me, Twilight is just beliebt 'cause it has sex appeal. Wait for several years, no one will be talking about Twilight anymore.. Harry Potter won't be talked about that much but it will never be forgotten.In my case, I know Harry Potter will be a future classic.

Twilight Fans go ahead and attack me, whenever you're ready.
This Artikel isn't mine, this is just an Artikel I found on cracked.com (one of the best sites ever!). I agree with most of it, and on that note remember this is opion based, not fact. This is...*drumroll* if Du don't hate Twilight already, why Du SHOULD hate Twilight!

Click here to check out the article:
link

Enjoy, and no getting pissy (that's right I'm talking to Du Twilight Fan girls) if you're going to post, DON'T POST unless Du write something I can understand. For example, THIS is something I can't understand:
omg liek edward iz liek sooo hawt an like sexxii an liek OMG umminess an u hateur iz liek tttly stoopid an homo an--
It's hurts too much to even finish the example! Anyway, again no haters and enjoy!
Obviously, this spot is about debating Harry Potter and Twilight, and I realised I've never written an article, so I decided to put down all my reasons for Harry Potter being better than Twilight.

Firstly, the 'love' in Twilight is not love. It is over powered lust. To my memory, Edwrad and Bella never have a conversation about from who loves the other more. Edward likes Bella because she smells good, Bella likes Edward because he's 'handsome' (which can't even be proven, he's a book character, we never see him).

The Liebe in Harry Potter is shown as an amazing, all powerful thing that can sace...
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posted by harrypotterbest
Harry woke up the Weiter morning with a feeling as though there was a heavy block in his stomach. He got ready and dressed and went downstairs. Ginny was already at the table, waiting for him. She smiled nervously at him, and he sagte to her ‘Don’t worry; compared to what we’ve been through, this is practice.’
Ginny laughed, and Harry felt pleased. They got their children ready, and dropped them off at the wizard Tag care, as every adult wizard would be in the battle.
Harry and Ginny apparated with Ron and Hermione to the Cullen backyard, where the battle would commence. When they got...
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posted by ABDCFan-
'Good Morning Voldemort' - The HP Version on 'Good Morning Baltimore', from the Musical, Hairspray.

Oh, oh, oh
Woke up today
Feeling the way i always do
Oh, oh, oh
Hungry for Magic
That i can't eat
Then i hear that beat
That rhythm of Voldie
Starts calling me down
It's like a message from
High above
Oh, oh, oh
Pulling me out
To the smiles and the
Streets that i love

Good morning Voldemort!
Every day's like an evil encore
Every night is a fantasy
Every sound's like a death to me!

Good morning Voldemort!
And some Tag when i take to the floor
The world's gonna wake up and see
Voldemort and me!

Oh, oh, oh
Look at my wand...
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posted by MissKnowItAll
I have read a lot of Artikel etc like this, but I thought I would write m own Ansichten down.

One thing I have heard about Twilight being better is that SMeyer is a better writer. I ask you, how on earth is SMeyer a better writer.

Take this sentence from New Moon:

'Suddenly, it(the bike) looked intimidating, frightening, as I realised I would soon be astride it.'

How does that flow as a sentence? It has two separate realisations together in one sentence. I found it awkward to read.

SMeyer doesn’t make us connect with her characters. She doesn’t describe their feeling well at all. She is not a good...
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I'll admit, I have a pretty diverse bookshelf. I have the Harry Potter Complete Series box set Weiter to my Twilight books. People who burn/flame either book are either A. extraordinarily biased oder B. have a legitimate reason and may actually have something intelligent to say. To find out what people thought, I decided to ask people who surrounded me at school what their opinions were. If you're interested, read on...

I took a survey of my fellow female students to see what they thought at my middle school (what possessed me to do so, I cannot say), and many of the Antwort I heard were something...
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So I surfing the web when I ran into one of the pages from this site. It was a Frage asking which would Du rather be, a vampire oder a wizard? I immediately answered wizard and I added 3 quick reasons why. That was several months Vor and now I wondered if my answer was reasonable enough. I also read other people's reason and I admit some of them sounded very childish and naive.

Now I will start Von defining the two Von their origins. Vampire and wizards, because that was the question. Not Twilight Vampire oder HP Wizards, but since that Umfrage was under those topics I'm guessing I will talk...
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