Harry Potter oder Twilight Article: Bella Swan--Not a Mary-Sue

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posted by Ravenclaw2001

Let's just get this straight before Du go harping on my Artikel because I'm a Twitard. Because I'm not. I'm just getting a little sick of Bella schwan being called "too perfect". She's perfect about to the extent that I am a Twilight fan. Which is to say, not at all.

OK, Let me tell Du a story about a REAL Mary-Sue.

Once upon a time, there was a girl named Anastasia B. Ana was in 6th grade, she was tiny for the age of ten (she skipped kindergarten), she was absolutely adorable, and she was in Gifted and 7th grade math. Boys all loved her, and she could crochet, knit, and she had perfect handwriting. She could play the klarinette well and she was an avid reader. She was also very religious and sweet, never disrespecting her friends.

Does Bella schwan seem so perfect now? And now let's see what Mrs. Cullen/Swan has to say for herself.

Once upon a time,there was a girl named Bella Swan. She was beautiful and all the boys wanted her. She was smart and was horrible to her friends. She could play no musical instrument, and her handwriting is anybody's guess. Her religion is not mentioned enough to stick in my head, and when she got a boyfriend, her Friends left her only because she left them. She relies on her boyfriend for everything, and when he leaves her, she jumps off cliffs to hear his voice.

Does she sound so Mary-Sueish compared to Anastasia? And here's the twist: Anastasia is an actual person. Mary-Sues aren't just in books.

Here's my conclusion:

Bella schwan was written to be perfect. The small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems and consequences, etc. were meant to make her perfect. She was written as a Mary-Sue, probably unintentionally, and yet failed miserably.

PS... to zanhar1: Thank Du for making that point in my original draft. I changed it and really appreciate the tip. Thanks!

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zanhar1 I feel like there are different types of Sues, some more severe than others. Like Bloom from Winx is super bad. Then there's your scenario. With Bella; while yes she does bad not perfect things she usually gets away with it in the end--a tell tale sign of a Sue. Another buggy is the fact that she's described as really pretty and smart and is really popular but then sees herself as socially awkward and anti-social when she is not. She has two men and at one point three fighting for her. Even though she blew them off her friends still seemed to come back to her. Not trying to be hateful, you have some good points, I just disagree.

luv_warriorcatz Bella is written no differently than the other ten thousand sues in The Pit (fanfiction.net). The only difference is that Twilight is published and acknowledged as legit novel, which is worse.

Ravenclaw2001 I agree. I think she's written to be perfect, which is even worse, but doesn't quite pull it off. Yeah, I see what I did wrong now zanhar1, I was just getting sick of people saying she was perfect. I DO think she's supposed to be erect though. She's just a jerk and can't quite pull it off.

Ravenclaw2001 Wow. I just realized that I stated my point like 3 times in that last comment :P. Thanks for the reviews! And, luv_wariorcatz, do you agree or disagree? I wasn't sure and I just wanted to know. Thanks!

Ravenclaw2001 Ok, I revised it. See my bottom paragraph. Thanks @zanhar1!

cassie-1-2-3 Stephenie has flat out said Bella wasn't perfect, which strongly implies that she wan't written to be perfect. I don't think there is any stronger source.

Ravenclaw2001 I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect, but all her writing shows that she was, and failed rather laughably. She seemed to be, and this article is written as an opinion for a reason. PS: People lie.

luv_warriorcatz To elaborate, Bella is the self-insert sue; the shy, modest brunette who likes to "read", preferably classic literature, and somehow attracts the hot guy, for some arcane reason. It's typical YA romance fiction. Now, Bella down, indeed, turn into a "perfect" sue after she turns to a vampire, which probably turned off fans.

zanhar1 @Ravenclaw No worries you didn't do anything wrong. ^_^ But no problem, and thanks for taking the tip. :D

cassie-1-2-3 [i]I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect[/i] Oh, my mistake, I got confused by the sentence "Bella Swan was written to be perfect." in the article. But this time, let's take actual evidence from the story and not just our imaginations. There's a quote by Bella at the very beginning of the first book that goes "I do a good job of blocking painful, unnecessary things from my memory." This quote alone is actually very contrary to "small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems [or] consequences" I guess Bella's horrible flaw here was not dwelling on bad things and not complaining as much as she could have?

FallingWitch *claps*

Great and not-great things about harry potter

posted by mr-cullen

well,
copied from a web-site:

Great:
Wizard-on-wizard combat in the films
Writing battle scenes was never Rowling’s strongest suit, but her fight scenes became electric on the screen, Mehr oder less literally: The effect when two thrown spells locked in mid-air is particularly splashy and creative, with the clash of energy throwing off heavy, wet detritus that looks like paint. Scenes like the Battle For Hogwarts at the end of the series, the Ministry Of Magic showdown in Order Of The Phoenix (with good and evil wizards zipping around as light and dark clouds, and the sense that Mehr action was...

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Examples of how to properly defend a Twilight oder Harry Potter troll.

posted by omg_stop

Lesson 1: PROPS!!! Lots and lots of props!

Harrypotterlurvfeverweasley_ravenclar-granger gave me Requisiten for my comments:
“Hi I really like the way Du verbally attack Twilight fans. The way Du threatened their lives Von tracking down their IP address and sending them cryptic letter describing how you’re going to kidnap them in their sleep and dismember them limb Von limb was so cool. Don’t worry; I’ll have your back if they call the police. I know you’re totally justified because I hate that book too.”

Cullenlife_number1fan_forks gave me Requisiten for my articles:
“Hey, that wasn’t fair,...

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why this site thinks twilight is better than harry potter

posted by mr-cullen

YOU MUST KNOW THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF THESE POINTS

Okay, SO many people are saying that Harry Potter is better than Twilight. That’s SO not true!
Twilight is a timeless tale of love, then Liebe Lost and found again. It shows how Liebe can get Du through everything. It’s such a sweet story about the things people do for love, like Bella goes all the way to Italy to save Edward from the Volturi, for instance.
Also, Twilight is MUCH Mehr creative, I mean, Stephenie Meyer created a new kind of Vampire, instead of just using a stereotypical, Dracula type Vampire. I mean, they sparkle, how...

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flaws in twilight

posted by mr-cullen

NOTE:copied from web site.
if same Artikel is there tell me i will remove this

1) Sperm are living cells that need to be reproduced. If Du have been dead for a hundred years such as Edward Cullen your sperm would be LONG dead. Also sperm needs protein, something Edwards body has no need for. If Edward has no sperm, how did he conceive Renessme?

2) 23 and 24 chromosomes does not produce a healthy off spring. Nessie either had a genetic disorder would of died.

3) If Jasper shouldn't of been around people why did he go to school. The Cullen family lived in the middle of no where. I'm sure they could...

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Harry Potter the Superior and Twilight the Inferior

posted by Helena-B-Carter

First of all, Harry Potter has suspense and is not entirely predictable. How many of Du thought Quirrell was the bad guy in Philosopher's Stone instead of Snape? Not many, I think. How many of Du thought Sirius Black was evil in Prisoner of Azkaban? A lot. Now that my point is made, I'll ask Du this: how many of Du knew Bella schwan would choose Edward instead of Jacob? Possibly Mehr than a half of Du if not ninety percent. Twilight is very predictable.

On that note, I'll say that Harry Potter has a very complex plot, spun together Von interesting events unlike Twilight, where the only events...

flaws in the GREAT harry potter

posted by mr-cullen

NOTE: copied from web site

How come moody see through the invisibility mantel in 4th Jahr when it was supposed to be one of the Hallows.

How come all the order members apparate inside the hog’s head when the air around was supposed to become thick and Harry was not able to disparate from there.

One supplementary, also on the same night when children were evacuated from Hogwarts, how can they disparate all the children (again the same reason for not being apparating according to me.)

Why Dumbledore’s wand was not snapped in two when he was buried as it was tradition in wizards to snap the wand...

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Highest-grossing films

posted by sharon-sel

Avatar is the highest-grossing film of all-time, with a global gross of almost $2.8 billion, and ten films have grossed in excess of $1 billion. All the films presented here have had a theatrical run in the last twenty years, and films that have not played during this period do not appear in the chart due to ticket-price inflation, population size and ticket purchasing trends not being considered. Gone with the Wind—first released in 1939—has earned $3.3 billion globally when adjusted to contemporary prices, making it the best all-time performer at the box office.[10] The most represented...

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The pros of Twilight, written Von a Potterhead.

posted by TheBreeze

Yeah, I know there's already one of these in this club, but I'm going to do another one. :)
Just a few points on certin parts of Twilight.

Bella Swan-
Oh dear me, Bella Swan. When one says her name, what comes to your mind? A young heroine? A clumsy sweetheart? oder perhaps a useless idiot?
For me, the latter comes to my head. I don't like Bella as a person, and feel she is lacking in certin qualities I admire in the hero of a story. But, why should the main character be a good person in order for the storyline to be good? I myself, am a huge Fan of the Harry Potter books, do not like Harry himself...

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Twilight oder Harry Potter?

posted by slytherin713

Twilight oder Harry Potter? That's all I see here. And here are some "reasons" each of us came up with.
NOTE: I'm a HP fan, nothing against Twilight though.

Twilight
•Edward is hot.
ME: Umm...not really to me...wait..books oder movies?
•JK Rowling failed at love.
ME: Lily Evans gave her life for Harry, and lots more.
•It has a Liebe triangle.
ME: Well...HP has Liebe triangles too. Hermione, Lavender, Ron. Harry, Ginny, Cho. Cho, Harry, Cedric. Severus, Lily, James. And LOADS more.
•Harry Potter is only about a fairy tale. It has a boy who raises a stick in the air and never dies.
ME: Well...vampires...

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Bella's flaws and Twilight's plots

posted by slushie

People keep on saying that Bella has no flaws. What about being clumsy? They also say that she's codependent, and she's anti-feminist. Aren't those flaws?

I just don't get why people say that Bella has no flaws, yet at the same time, they point out her flaws.

Also, they say that the Twilight Bücher have no plot. Please tell me why they have no plot.

Twilight: Bella meets Edward. They fall in Liebe and Bella meets the parents. James smells Bella and wants to kill her. Edward eventually kills Bella and reverses the vampire transformation.

New Moon: Edward leaves Bella. Jacob is apparently a werewolf....

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50 Ways for a Harry Potter Fan to annoy a Twilight Fan

posted by twilightlover73

1. When a twilight Fan says 'twilight rocks' say 'rocks made of twilight?'
2. Go up to a twilight fan, scream 'Bella! Bella! BELLA!!!! YOU'RE AWESOME!!!!' when they say 'I know right!' say 'Oh no I meant Bellatrix'
3. Ask them all Fragen about twilight that Du can think of. When they ask why say 'I'm doing a book Berichten on the most boring Bücher of the world'
4. Get all the boys and twilight haters (better for them to be Harry Potter fans) to start saying 'Edward, Edwardo, Eddibear, sparkle sparkle'
5. Say that Du hate Stephanie Meyer, she's a horrible Autor and her Bücher make want to poke...

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A letter to twilight

posted by twilightlover73

WARNING This Artikel might be quite offensive to twilight, so if you're a Fan of twilight (especially if you're one of these crazy fangirls) please do not waste your time to read this and comment. I know there's no point of me telling Du this because you'll read and Kommentar anyways, but at least I tried.

Dear characters of twilight,

Bella, please get a life. When peoples' Liebe leave them, they try to stay strong and keep fighting for what is worth it like Hermione did. They do not curl up in the fetal position and go numb for weeks like Du did.

Edward, Du think you're hot when Du sparkle?...

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"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," oder the ending of the Twilight saga?

posted by maritina12345

Would Du prefer to read the new adventures of soor after "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," oder to know what happens to Edward and Bella after the ending of the Twilight saga?

Would you prefer to read the new adventures of thrush after "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," or to know what happens to Edward and Bella after the ending of the Twilight saga?

Summer is the perfect opportunity to stop and relax and let your imagination fly: and what better opportunity to spend some 'time to read, drift into a fabulous world of the best stories?

But what would be the perfect book for summer: a new chapter of Harry Potter oder the sequel to Breaking Dawn? Would Du prefer to read the new adventures of soor after "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," oder to know what happens to Edward and Bella after the ending of the Twilight saga? Vote!

And how can Du imagine Mehr of these stories? Let go of the Fantasy and ... "write" Du Harry Potter 8 and the new adventures of Edward and Bella!

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My honest opinion of Twilight

posted by KateKicksAss

I first found out about the Twilight novels about four years ago. I was at an event with a raffle, and I’d acquired several raffle tickets, and was looking through the raffle items. I came across copies of Twilight and Eclipse that were being raffled off. I’d never head of the Twilight Series before, as this was before they’d become really popular, and I loved reading, so I put my tickets into the raffle for Twilight.
I wasn’t really surprised when I won, since I’d put three tickets in, and only a few other people had entered.
I got Home and began Lesen Twilight, and then when I was...

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Just remembered an Artikel about a bet.

posted by sofiacalista

A few years back I read an Artikel about Robert Pattinson and Rupert Grint and a bet.

Actually it's about what the loser got to do when they lose the bet rather than the bet itself(it was never really mentioned,anyway).

Here's what the Artikel says:

Despite the chilly weather, we got to chat with Rupert while he waited for some friends. Kürzlich reports about this famous redhead stripping down for his upcoming film "Cherrybomb" had Rupert grinning, "No, actually it was really cool, even though that was a very intense kind of scary moment. I was nervous but everything came out great."

We quickly asked...

Harry Potter is the cure to a Twilight addiction.

posted by 11Anime_Fool

So, Du like Harry Potter? What about Twilight?
I've read (and watched) them both.
When I was twelve I picked up a paper back cover of "Twilight" at the airport for something to read on my plane ride home. I did become quite infatuated with the series, tearing through the second, third and fourth books. I went on this Fan club on my old account (which I have long since abandoned) and talked trash about Harry Potter, and talked about how wonderful Twilight was. I talked about Twilight like it was my Bible, and mocked Harry Potter (which I knew Weiter to nothing about). However, when I was thirteen,...

Dumbledore???

posted by spongebob105

Did Du ever think that dumbledore was useing harry potter? Well he did! As Du can see in snape's thoughts that he did. Dumbledore sagte that he was like a pig up for slauter! I mean who is mean to say that oder act twards that person. WELL HE DID!

He doesn't realy think about what would he feel if he was steping into his shoes. I mean come on. He thinks he so COOL that he has the elder wand. HE'S A NORMAL PERSON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

Well now getting back to the subject. Dumbledore is a MEAN person so if Du want to find out your self then go to chapter that says "Snape's Memories"
-Spongebob105

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Arthur Weasley vs Charlie Swan: Who's the better Father Figure?

posted by PotterLambert93

Arthur Weasley: Father of 7 kids, loves his wife Molly, works hard to make ends meet and never seen lying around the house like some Husbands, although low-income, he continues to be positive and happy about life, loyal, jokes around sometimes, there for his children, offers to be a father figure to Harry, never gives up, and [on a side-note] very accepting of others. He also gives Guter Rat as well and doesn't let enemies get him down.

Charlie Swan: Has only 1 daughter, divorced and never thought on dating anyone else, when he's not working he either hunts oder sits all Tag drinking bier and watching...

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30 Things That Would Make the Harry Potter Series Better

posted by youknowit101

This is purely my opinion. NOTE: A lot of these are jokes.

1. Hermione should become an anti-feminist

2. Harry should have killed Dobby in book 2

3. Trixy's torture should have left permanently disfiguring scars

4. Hermione should have bigger flaws. Something Mehr that being kind of bossy

5. vampires

6. The United States of America

7. Ginny becomes a prostitute, as nature would have it.

8. Ron died playing chess

9. Dumbledore gets killed Von a unicorn

10. Harry's scar was on the inside of his wrist.

11. The Schokolade shouldn't be alive

12. They listened to music

13. They drive cars

14. Kristen Stewart should...

reasons why twilight is better the harry potter

posted by luv_warriorcatz

1. Twilight has Mehr deph to their plot
2. The harry potter characters are mary-sues
3. The harry potteR characters are sparkly wizards
4. The characters in twilight matured while harry potter characters didnt
5. twilight has a theme park based on them
6. smeyer created a world while j k rowling created a book
7. twilight is aimed for people of all ages while harry potter is aimed for teenage girls
8. The war in harry potter was anti-climatic
9. twilight is about Liebe and friendship while harry potter focuses on how to get a boyfriend
10. even daniel radcliffe says that he didnt like the character he...