Dolorous Edd speaks; plus House Stark spoilers for season 7 

Today, we have EVEN MORE season 7 spoilers, but first- a

speaks in a new interview this week. Ben Crompton, who has played Dolorous Edd Tollett since season 2, was a guest at the Sunderland Echo Portfolio Business Awards, and took the opportunity to talk about

 The actor confirms his return in season 7, and talks about the future of the show.

Crompton says, “We are back on season 7 and we have a lot of fun.” He tells

he’s been at work since August, with filming still ongoing. “I am like a lot of the fans, I am always keen to find out what will happen next. It is exciting when the scripts come through.” Crompton is quoted as saying he always gets a thrill from being on the Castle Black set and that, “It is a genuine set that you can interact with.”

As for working with Kit Harington, Crompton says that Kit is “really funny in real life” and “one of the lads.”

he does have this to offer. “There are some surprises, We are gearing towards the end. Everyone is assuming certain things will happen but I won’t say if that is the case.”

In Spain, preparations continue for the shooting beginning soon. A couple weeks ago, spoilers confirmed that we would be seeing a scene shot in Zumaia involving men rowing.  In the town today, this boat arrived and looks to be part of

DÍA 12: Esta embarcación que ha llegado hoy, tomará parte en el rodaje de #JuegoDeTronos en #Zumaia. ¿Quienes irán dentro? pic.twitter.com/il4cjxvwdF

The boat is covered up, and has a simple structure similar to many other boats we’ve seen on

before, across multiple storylines in Westeros and Essos. So, at this point we can’t determine which House or culture the boat is from, because it’s such a common boat they’ve used. If we see the boat uncovered, perhaps we’ll be able to glean more clues from it then.

Now, we have more news that would be considered MAJOR SPOILERS, including notable characters interacting. Scroll past the gif if you want to know!

Yesterday we shared the news of a meeting between Daenerys and an unexpected duo in Westeros, and today, we have fresh spoilers from

According to L7R, in season 7 Theon Greyjoy will be reuniting with an old friend from Winterfell, Jon Snow. Our own sources tell us that this meeting won’t be in the north as has been rumored, but will actually be further south, with Jon traveling and encountering Theon at some point.

L7R also reports that when it comes to Bran Stark, they haven’t heard news of Isaac Hempstead Wright filming a family reunion (though of course they can’t entirely rule that out), but they’ve learned Isaac was filming a different scene recently. They report that the scene actually involved Bran and Dolorous Edd, along with members of the Night’s Watch.

More exciting news this week! Theon may have saved Sansa but I’m sure Jon will have some sharp words for Theon nonetheless. That’s a scene I’m very much looking forward to. And with Bran filming with Edd, can we safely assume that Bran has now passed beneath the Wall- even though he is marked by the Night King? That can’t be good.

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My my, what if Dany and Jon meet a lot earlier than we thought? 😀

Their stories have been developed in parallel since almost the beginning. It’s not cliché, it makes absolute sense.

is going to sound cliche when we’ve all been sitting around discussing every possibility for the last twenty years.

So is it possible that’s what the high-stakes scene with the North is for? A gathering of House Stark and the Northern Lords to discuss a possible marriage with Daenerys down in the South?

God I am so exited!How are we going to wait this much time?And yeah Jon and Dany are meeting this season.Kit deserves some Spain filming lol.

I hope all these awful things I have read these days is just a lie !!! I don’t know who wants to destroy Game of thrones but as far as I read season 7 looks the worst for me !!!

Can we all now finally agree that Jon will also be present in the dragonpit scene?

Why is everyone assuming Jon will marry Dany? I think it’d be weird for him to marry his aunt.

I’ve been trying to keep my excitement levels relatively contained over the last few spoiler reports, but I have to say that Season 7 sounds like it is going to be absolutely incredible. It’s also going to be jam-packed with amazing events and interactions with only seven episodes. Can’t wait!

Finally had to do it…unfollow you guys in my facebook feed. Nothing you did wrong, but when I see in my feed that there’s spoilers, I can’t seem to resist clicking and reading them. Then I invariably wish I didn’t know. So it’s better to not know the article exists at all. I’ll definitely be back here when the new season starts though!

Thank you, Sue! It is so true. There isn’t a possibility that hasn’t been suggested, so nothing will be an entire surprise!

Just because jon/daenerys have scenes together doesn’t mean they’re gonna hook up, fyi. First of all, I’m just saying in general – I don’t think it’ll happen because

and b) I don’t see Jon giving up the North – He is a northerner, through and through, bloodlines or parentage be damned. I can’t imagine him going south and giving up his whole identity to marry Daenerys.

Now will the two rulers meet to form an alliance or talk it out? Sure, I can see that happening.

All I’ve cared about since season 4 is seeing Alfie Allen getting some more lines and some more scenes so that he might – finally – get the recognition (read nominations) he deserves. So I’m pretty happy right now.

I don’t see Jon “scold” Theon. I think Jon has heard enough from Sansa to know better.

Traveling south doesn’t necessarily mean all the way to KL. The Riverlands, The Vale and the Iron Islands are all south but closer than KL.

So where are all the peeps that were set that Jon would never go south?!! I don’t think it’s for marriage though he is trying to save the world here people!

It would be weird by normal conventions, yes, but far from weird in the wonderful world of Westeros.

Yeah, well, then why the Lannisters get crap for it, but it would be completely acceptable when it’s a Stark? I mean, without taking into account that the Lannisters are dicks.

This is very exciting. Dolorous will be back, AMAZING!

Also, Jon meeting with Theon near the south is good as well.

Why are you trying to over-excite us. This week has been on fire with spoilers.

Where’s Meera? I assumed she would be at the Night’s Watch with Bran. Hope she survives 🙁

In case of Tywin and Joanna, first cousins, its cool. But in Jaime and Cersei? Nope. As long as they’re not in immediate family, its acceptable.

Cousins is not the same relationship as nephew and aunt. Genetically i think the second are closer, if i am not wrong even places which allow the first still have the second as incest.

Edit, yes i was right. Aunt and nephew is like granfather with grandaughter or halfsiblings.

A second-degree relative (SDR) includes uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, grandparents, grandchildren, and half-siblings.

A third-degree relative is defined as a blood relative which includes the individual’s first-cousins, great-grandparents or great grandchildren

There are many clichés in the series, I don’t know why anybody would expect that to stop now.

While in the south, Jon will probably prove he has Targ blood by riding one of the dragons. Then, he and his new bride will fly off to the North to scorch the Others when they breach the Wall. It wouldn’t be surprising if Tyrion was a dragonrider as well.

I wonder how quickly Cersei, Euron, and Littlefinger will be taken out. They’re basically the sub-bosses before our heroes face the Big Bad Night King.

Jon riding south… Am I the only one thinking about Arya being somewhere there? Maybe he found out she is there and left Winterfell to find her. Or he had to leave because LF and Sansa did something? Because Brienne and Davos are gone too. And I don’t see him leaving Winterfell if there isn’t an important reason.

And I don’t wanna see a Dany/Jon marriage. I don’t see Jon fall in love and I don’t see him marry someone for a political reason. There is a big reason to pledge alliances. To save Westeros from the White Walkers. There is no marriage needed.

Fringe theory: Jon learns about R+L=J, he says “Fuck it” and abandons the North to make a pilgrimage to the Tower of Joy.

L7R also reports that when it comes to Bran Stark, they haven’t heard news of Isaac Hempstead Wright filming a family reunion (though of course they can’t entirely rule that out), but they’ve learned Isaac was filming a different scene recently. They report that the scene actually involved Bran and Dolorous Edd, along with members of the Night’s Watch.

Just to be clear, is the link to the earlier article is meant to indicate that the paparazzi photos of Isaac on-set were for filming this scene with Edd and co.?

Knew it, Jon has to be south when the wall comes down. Winterfell has to fall to the White Walkers. This isn’t confirmation that Jon is going to meet Daenerys though, with Euron causing problems, the ironborn might be split apart from Daenerys.

They seem to be implying that. But they also acknowledge, Isaac could have filmed scenes with other cast members at some point and we don’t know about it. Lots of filming happens without us knowing.

Ugh I want Jon and Dany to happen sooo bad but I’m skeptical about s7 ..

These spoilers are good but not enough .. Just because Jon is travelling South doesn’t mean he’ll meet Dany .. Why would he send Brienne and Davos if he was going there too anyway ?

I need one shot, just one photo of Kit and Emilia together on set and I’ll be a happy camper. That’s literally all I need and I will avoid all news until the new season begins.

Speaking of Alfie, here he is with Nathalie today

Most exciting bit for me is that Jon is going south! What compels him to go south though? I don’t believe it would be to meet Dany or gather dragonstone. A king sends his people to do that. My theory is that the motive will be Arya or Sansa.

My thoughts too… I’m having a hard time believing that Jon would just leave Sansa and Winterfell (especially if Littlefinger is still there!) at the same time Davos and Brienne are gone. I think these two events maybe happen at two separate times. I’d like to think maybe he’s going to find Arya.

I don’t believe it would be to meet Dany or gather dragonstone.A king sends his people to do that.

Vital matters of peace and war are exactly the sort of thing the king would travel to deal with.

Going to find Aray or retrieve Sansa. Cercei could have sent kidnappers…

I haven’t been expecting Jon to sit at Winterfell or go all the way to Castle Black with what he has. The North is the least populated region in Westeros and he’s already got the support of most the Houses again, which isn’t nearly enough. It’s more important at the moment to get as many people as he can than strategizing with what he has that would fail miserably. Jon is more of a doer than a delegator. While I can see him sending individuals to different locations, I also expect him to continue to work on gathering people himself.

Oh shit, theon + Jon pretty much confirms the huge spoil we had yesterday. I’m positive WOTW crew is keeping the Dany+Jon thing under wraps.

Theon should just immediately shout “Ramsay Bolton tortured me, then turned me into both a eunuch and a slave.” just in case Sansa hasn’t already told him about all of that.

Not that Jon would forgive him, but I see him taking pity on Theon, seeing that such a sad existence is punishment enough for what Theon has done. Plus the semi-redemption he got for saving Sansa is factored in there.

Also, the Jon-Dany thing with them being related is overblown. Sure it’s gross on the surface, but they are adults who are complete strangers and have grown up not even knowing each other exist. It would be far more awkward and gross if Jon hooked up with or married Sansa or Arya, who are technically his cousins by blood. Unless you are siblings or parent/child either by blood or by growing up as such, it’s really not that big of a deal if two complete strangers who share DNA get into a political marriage, especially in this world. You can’t compare this to Jaime and Cersei’s relationship, or Craster knowingly marrying and having sex with his daughters.

Maybe Jon is going south to get some dragons and dragonglass for the upcoming war of the dead?

Dany is the mother of dragons but Jon is their king. 😉

Theon should just immediately shout “Ramsay Bolton tortured me, then turned me into both a eunuch and a slave.” just in case Sansa hasn’t already told him about all of that.

Now that Theon is serving under Dany’s banner, Jon can’t do anything to him anyway, even if he wants to.

You’re all going to be terribly disappointed when Jon turns out to be marrying one of the Sand Snakes and Dany winds up with Dickon Tarly.

Getting more people won’t help against the White Walkers. Fighting them with a bigger army just means they have even more wights when the battle is over. I would think Jon understands that protecting the Wall is the only way to stop them.

Well, now I am almost convinced that Jon will go to Dragonstone for dragonglass and Theon will be come there with Dany and her Small Council on-board after they are beaten by Cersei and Euron. It’s hard to think of a better place for the last Targarians to meet and the circumstances will be right too, because if Jon meets Dany after her defeat he will be compelled to help her as much as he can and that will lay foundation for a sincere alliance and friendship, which a purely political and forced marriage could undermine otherwise.

Getting more people won’t help against the White Walkers.Fighting them with a bigger army just means they have even more wights when the battle is over.I would think Jon understands that protecting the Wall is the only way to stop them.

Guys armed with dragonglass weapons (or Valyrian steel) matter. And in any event, Dany has fire-breathing dragons, which would obviously be something Jon would seek out.

Also, protecting the Wall how? If men can’t fight the White Walkers, then the only actual defence is the Wall itself, which is unaffected by whether it’s manned or not.

Jeez guys, can we get 5 minutes to take a break between these spoilers? 😝

Didn’t see that coming! I really can’t understand why Jon is going south, but I’m sure it’ll make sense on the show. It just goes to prove- I know nothing! 😂

A plausible reason for Jon to travel far enough south to run into Theon might be Meera taking him to Greywater Watch to meet her father and confirm the story of his parentage that he has already heard from Bran but isn’t sure if he believes it. The Neck is not that far from the Iron Islands – though why Theon would be heading back that way if Yara/Asha has been taken prisoner by Euron remains a mystery.

There could be a mass migration south to escape White Walkers like what the Wildlings did.

Stannis and Sam talked about Dragonglass being at Dragonstone so maybe someone goes to get some.

Attempt to convince more lords and ladies of the coming threat.

kam, I totally agree, especially with this part you wrote:

I don’t see Jon giving up the North – He is a northerner, through and through, bloodlines or parentage be damned. I can’t imagine him going south and giving up his whole identity to marry Daenerys.

Now will the two rulers meet to form an alliance or talk it out? Sure, I can see that happening

Holy shit! I think its safe to say that by the time the show is about to start, we’ll be knowing every detail about what’s goint to happen. I just don’t know if it’s a good thing or bad. The leaks are on fire this season. 😀

I can see Jon going to Riverrun to help Edmure out and in turn ask him to help with the WW. Or make a visit to the Neck and Howland Reed.

“Everyone is assuming certain things will happen but I won’t say if that is the case” sounds like a tease about the Wall (or part of it) coming down.

I just wish that Edd doesn’t get killed. That would make me very sad.

Interesting, like others have mentioned I don’t think Jon heading south means a Jon/Dany hook up, could be anywhere (Riverlands, Reach, Vale etc.) & even if he does meet Dany it could just be to form an alliance of some sort. Dany doesn’t really know much about Westeros in general let alone whats happening in the north & most of the Westerosi nobles have laughed off the threat of The Others (ermahgerd! Groompkins & Snerks, run!) so Davos & Brienne might not be able to convince her alone.

Surprised nobody has put out the idea they meet in Oldtown re: Sam. Maybe he’s held after a raid and that’s how Jon gets involved south – much more in line with his charter to be a rescue operation..

(Euron raid / possible team Dany loss / Jon off to rescue)

Jon heads to Dragonstone (there’s so much dragonglass there, would be foolish not to try to get it and make use of it in the upcoming war) or Riverlands (with the destination being Riverrun). He meets Theon on his way there or when he reaches one of those places.

Based on the fact that the inner gate of the Riverrun looks burned in the leaked set photos, I think Edmure will take care of his castle himself. Cersei won’t be a threat to him until she beats Dany, but afterwards anything can happen. I can see Jon being frustrated where to go: Dragonstone; Riverlands & the Vale, the Wall, or even King’s Landing itself. Now it looks like he’ll chose Dragonstone, but where does he go from there is yet to be seen.

I don’t know about you but to me Jon hasn’t sounded very confident that they’re safe behind The Wall. It’s 300 miles long and already has weak spots even without the magics being broken. It was one thing to keep out Wildlings (which they failed at) and an entirely different thing to keep out the swarms of undead. We also have to remember that while the magic has prevented the Others from passing through so far, it doesn’t prevent the dead from being raised by the NK on the south side (LC Mormont’s attacker). In my opinion it’s a given that The Wall will come down or broken, Horn of Joramun or no horn. It will be a war of attrition until the living unite, become effective and eventually destroy the NK and/or his ability to animate the dead.

I have a couple thoughts. Instead of Bran crossing the wall and going to Castle Black, the Nights Watch could have traveled to Bran, seeing as he’s at the weirwood tree the Night’s Watchmen take their vows. Maybe they signal for help somehow? I just don’t see Bran purposefully crossing the wall knowing he’s marked. Unless he and Meera hadn’t put two and two together.

On Theon and Jon: I’m confused as to why so many people think Jon will want to kill Theon. Everyone already knows Theon didn’t actually kill Bran or Rickon, and it would be really weird if Jon and Sansa hadn’t talked about how she was able to escape Winterfell. If anything, I think their reunion will be on the pleasant side of things, maybe with Theon apologizing and Jon easily forgiving.

When you talk of “Davos and Brienne meeting Dany at the Dragonpit” you should remember “Sam and Gilly meeting an elderly man” (who turned out to be a White Walker in case you have forgotten). The Dragonpit will be some major action sequence involving at least one dragon, not some sort of peaceful negotiations of any kind.

YES!!! want Jon/Theon scene…Alfie and Kit will tear it UP!!

and “Jon heading south” to me could be about anywhere from winterfell…i am going out on a limb and guess Mote Calin. If there is a threat coming at him from the South (say for instance Jamie Lannister at the head of an army) Jon would feel it is his duty to be there to defend the north and Mote Calin is talked about alot on Show and in books as almost impossible to breach from the south so would make good place to make a stand..and would be good halfway point to bring in Hound/BWB/Ayra and Jamie (maybe) to main plot line

Another posssibility is that there may be mass evacuation of the Northerners to the Riverlands that, with prior talks, agreed to host them. But with winter spreading rapidly and to the other Kingdoms, that might not help matters.

I wasn’t expecting Jon to spend the season sitting behind a desk in Winterfell and sending out ravens in a futile attempt to convince the South that white walkers are real, so this doesn’t come as a surprise to me. Davos himself said that there’s only so much he can do to save the realm from some ice castle at the edge of the world. Different castle, but the point still stands. If he’s travelling south, it’ll be for tactical reasons, and it’ll be something too critical for him to resolve via raven or to delegate to someone else.

As for leaving Sansa there, why not? I would expect that after her captivity with the Lannisters and the Boltons, Jon would feel confident that she can manage Littlefinger as Lady of Winterfell, especially now that the Northern houses are pledged to the Starks again and she has information that can easily turn the Vale against him. Also, we don’t have a timeline yet for when Brienne leaves Winterfell, assuming that’s where the scene between her, Jon, Davos, and the northern lords took place. She could still be there when Jon departs.

At this point I’m very curious to see which cast members turn up in Spain over the next four weeks.

I have been thinking about that wight who attacked LC Mormont, too. IMO, the dead man was reanimated outside the Wall and then put into a kind of a sleeping mode to be awakened at Castle Black. IMO, that’s how it works: when the WW or the wights kill someone they kind of infect the body with some magic, as Uncle Benjen implied in Ep606; then a person can be reanimated as a wight. But the Night’s King does not have the power to reanimate the dead on the other side of the Wall: if he had, the living would have lost long ago.

Why did you guys put à Syrio gif to start spoilers about Stark stuff! I nearly had a heart attack! 😀

I fully expect Jon and Dany to meet and become allies in some form, but I hope they are already aware of their veryclose familial blood ties at that point. I really hope there is not a romance or marriage between them. I’m squicked out by the aunt-nephew thing. Also, isn’t she possibly barren? What is their plan for a succession if they are married to each other and end up childless? At least one of them should be able to produce a Targaryen heir. Monarchies without succession plans are very unstable and vulnerable to being overthrown by would-be rulers who do have plenty of potential heirs.

Also, I don’t think GRRM would have bothered to have Jon be the son of Rhaegar Targaryen if he didn’t plan to place him on the throne by the end of the series. If Jon is simply a temporary northern king who then bends the knee to Daenerys… frankly, any Northern house / lord could have done that.

Thank you!!! Not cliche, try incredibly satisfying:-) With 13-15 episodes to wrap this up, the inevitable has got start to happen! It’s their destiny to meet. What happens beyond their meeting I leave to GRRM and D&D.

Ugh! I think that Dany may just feel that Jon as KITN is actually standing in her way of ruling the 7 Kingdoms. Remember Starks are just “spokes on the wheel” that she wants to break. Ned helped Robert overthrow her father’s kingdom. I don’t see “love at first sight” for Jon And Dany. Tyrion will have to talk her down and cool her temper to convince her Jon is honorable and trustworthy. Now, after that, maybe…..

Jon never liked Theon to begin with. Since he last saw him, Theon, in his eyes, had betrayed Robb, took the Stark’s ancestral home, killed Sir Rodrick, forced his really young siblings to escape to the unknown. Sure he ended up helping Sansa and that may steady Jon’s hand but I don’t see Jon ever forgiving Theon’s treachery. Theon better pray he never runs into Arya, that I would imagine would be his end.

Considering we only have 7 episodes I am baffled how they cram this all in. I don’t know, maybe Jon has to go all the way to Oldtown and set all those ‘irregularities’ straight for Sam to become a Maester, LOL!!!

Question here, what will the WW do while everyone is traveling around Westeros. Just hang around at the wall until everyone makes it up North? I mean, we would need to have some WW interaction with someone. Is the wall falling early in the season and everyone in the North is fleeing South? Edd and Co. can’t defend the wall against the NK and his army.

Ahahahaha!! Remember when people thought Jon would never leave the North or head back to the Wall? ahahahahaaha

I can see him going to Dragonstone to get some dragonglass. Whatever gets him away from Littlecreeper tbh.

But where is Jon going.to KL? Dragonstone or convincing lords? Also when?

Did he? Jon will not be happy to see him because he betrayd Robb and Starks. It will be interesting.

The Wall is still standing, intact, and protecting the Kingdoms. Jon and co still rely on it to thwart any possible zombie attack. For the time being at least. Jon is a man of action, a leader, not a boss, and they still have time to make preparations and move the pieces around, so him going places is entirely reasonable. Him sitting on his ass in Winterfell all season long isn’t. He needs to act too and not just hand out orders, then retire to braid Sansa’s hair. He counts on himself to get results.

Well, I was imagining that the NK has a limited range with his ability. That is to say that if he were in the forest just beyond Castle Black he could animate a body within but not be animating dead in Essos from that spot.

However it does worry me about one thing. So Arya will return to Winterfell and what? Watch Sansa and Littlefinger scheme all season.

Surely they can think of something better than that to do with her.

Sue, are there any signs of Ghost making an appearance or two this season?

Geralt of Rivia: Jon will not be happy to see him because he betrayd Robb and Starks. It will be interesting.

Not to mention his beheading of Rodrik. As Sansa told Theon, Jon will probably forgive him but it may not be a very friendly reunion.

Especially, if Jon is going there without Sansa. Without Sansa, Jon might not be that nice. Stark must always be at Winterfell and Sansa makes most sense to act as Lady of Wintefell. Arya and Bran might make and Jon go south. That would be shame.

Gotta admit – reddit usually does have some truth in all the bullshit after all.

Dany’s most likely not barren, in the books she had a miscarriage at the end of ADWD. This past season D&D spoke about how Dany believes the dragons will be the only children she’ll have. That Dany believes it doesn’t make it a reality. Also, Jon is just as likely to be steril, having been dead and all.

Regarding succession a Queen or King can name their own success if one is not available. Additionally, Great Councils have been summoned to select the next king or queen. Gendry if legitimize is actually Dany’s cousin four times removed.

Jon’s parentage is much more about he magical aspects of the story than anything else, I think. Why do you think GRRM has waited so long to reveal it, if it was important to the game of thrones (i.e. if he were legitimate) he would have revealed it a long time ago.

I agree completely. I think this whole Jon/Dany thing is bizarre and not likely to happen. This is GOT not a Disney movie.

His parentage isn’t just about magic (which the show has cut down compared to the books). It’s also important in terms of the ‘game of thrones’, which is why it’s getting revealed now that he’s no longer a NW member and the information can influence the story and political situation. If his parentage had been revealed while he was with the NW, it wouldn’t have mattered because his vows would have kept him away from the ‘game’. The fact that George has kept it hidden for so long means that it’s important.

White Walkers are not at The Wall yet. The last time we saw Night’s King he was farther North than in season 5. He went back to deal with Bloodraven and Bran. The Wall is still standing and protecting the Kingdoms. Jon and co still rely on it to thwart any zombie attack, for the time being at least. They have some time to go places, make preparations and mobilize for defense. The Wall won’t fall down until 707.

As for seeing WWs before they reach it. We don’t actually need that. Last season we had two scenes with them. I expect two in season 7. They may encounter Benjen in the first one. Season 8 is where they will be heavily present.

Couldn’t her miscarriage also just lend to the idea that she is unable to carry a child to term? I can’t remember the specific words of the prophecy.

How is his parentage important for iron throne for example? You see with his KitN coronation, name means little. He’s KitN as a bastard over legitimate child. He doesn’t want iron throne and nor his claim is strong. In fact, claim means probably little, when anyone who wants the throne will earn it by conquest and not because he’s son or daughter of someone. Nobody will give Dany iron throne or Jon for that matter.

If Jon is a King at the end, it will be because of his actions against white walkers and not because he happens to be son of Rhaegar, who is not even Aerys heir. He named Viserys if I remember it correctly.

His parentage first of all matters to Jon’s identity and that is main purpose. George writes about characters, their emotions, journey and they happened to be surrounded by magic, schemes and politics. Just imagine his reaction that he’s not even bastard son of Ned but Rhaegar’s kid.

Also prophecy, as PtwP which was mentioned. As far as throne goes, his parentage doesn’t mean that much.

Well, damn. That crap I read yesterday from some reddit guy better not turn out to be true. Because it is crap.

Couldn’t her miscarriage also just lend to the idea that she is unable to carry a child to term? I can’t remember the specific words of the prophecy.

AGOT Dany IX “Mirri Maz Duur was there, the maegi, tipping a cup against her lips. She tasted sour milk, and something else, something thick and bitter.”

“Its flesh was tart and chewy, with a bitter aftertaste that seemed familiar to her.”

His parentage isn’t just about magic (which the show has cut down compared to the books). It’s also important in terms of the ‘game of thrones’, which is why it’s getting revealed now that he’s no longer a NW member and the information can influence the story and political situation. If his parentage had been revealed while he was with the NW, it wouldn’t have mattered because his vows would have kept him away from the ‘game’. The fact that George has kept it hidden for so long means that it’s important.

I think the game of thrones will be done this season for the most part. Also, if Jon were legitimate that would be very hard to prove.

How is his parentage important for iron throne for example? You see with his KitN coronation, name means little. Hes KitN as a bastard over legitimate child. He doesn’t want it and nor his claim is strong. In fact claim means probably little, when anyone who wants the throne will earn it by conquest and not because he’s son of someone.

His parentage first of all matters to Jon’s identity and that is main purpose. George writes about chracter, their emotions, journey and they happened to be surrounded by magic, shcemes and politics. Just imagine his reaction that he’s not even bastard son of Ned but Rhaegar’s kid. Also prophecy, as PtwP which was mentioned. As far as throne goes, his parentage doesn’t mean that much.

Also this. I didn’t want to get into it but this will be devastating to Jon. It’s not going to be a good thing in any way for him.

Also would like to add, His blood is also important for riding a dragon. Even non Targ riders in history always had the right drop of Valyrian blood. It’s how they form a connection between a dragon and rider. It’s not for everyone.

So, we have Jon’s internal conflict as person, if they decide to do romance with Dany= conflict that he loves someone who happens to be his family. A bit close to what George originally intended with Jon and Arya to be in love and then to discover his parentage. A bit twisted version of his original outline. And prophecy.

Three ways to utilize Jon’s parentage and it doesn’t have to do anything with iron throne.

It’s going to be important and devastating for him on a personal level (no argument there), but his parentage would also complicate things for Dany’s claim (whether he’s legitimate or illegitimate). Just look at how people are following him in spite of being Ned’s bastard. I’m not saying she’s going to burn him alive, but she could unite her claim with his for a more stable rule.

But hey, most of the people here think his parentage is not important or that they don’t need to marry and so on…I guess we’ll see 😉

Twice now Jon has been raised to positions he never sought or even entertained. In neither occasion people bothered to ask his permission to catapult him into those positions. Knowing Jon’s luck, and I don’t mean good luck, someone will decide to name him King of Westeros and he’ll get shackled to that crown and be forever unhappy.

I would kill for Arya spoilers. Her plot is one of the main things that keep me watching.

you guys clearly the boat is gendry’s. he finally finished rowing!

It’s going to be important and devastating for him on a personal level (no argument there), but his parentage would also complicate things for Dany claim (legitimate or illegitimate). Just look at how people are following him in spite of being Ned’s bastard. I’m not saying she’s going to burn him alive, but she could unite her claim with his for a more stable rule.

But hey, most of the people here think his parentage is not important or that they don’t need to marry and so on…I guess we’ll see.

Technically Dany can be rulling on her own but I never said it’s impossible for them to get married or form a couple. Just not a fan of it but hey we all have some preferences.

If Jon’s parentage never played any significant role, then why to have in the first place. It was always going to be key.

Jon is a unique person because he comes from Ice and Fire union. Dany has also blood of The First Men (Blackwoods) but this one is the very first time Targ and Stark had a child. Union between Targaryens and Starks is called The Pact of Ice and Fire.

Jon always wanted Winterfell and be a Stark. I doubt that Jon would stand in Dany’s way legitimate or not. His legitimacy is not even that important but his blood really is all that matters, as I wrote here Targ and Stark union.

Neverthless, it would be interesting to see how, when and to whom it will be revealed. Something tells me, we’ll have to wait until season 8 for everyone to know. Next season Rhaegar will be explained and hopefuly we’ll learn more about his relationship with Lyanna, Elia and how it went down with his plan.

Yes, I think they’ll focus on clearing up who the father is, the R+L relationship and clearing up the family tree (I’ve seen people who think Jon and Dany are siblings or cousins).

I agree that it’s key, but don’t discount the fact that it can also have political significance. Like you said, Starks and Targs have never had a union before this.

Geralt of Rivia: Technically Dany can be rulling on her own but I never said it’s impossible for them to get married or form a couple. Just not a fan of it but hey we all have some preferences.

If Jon’s parentage never played any significant role, then why to have in the first place. It was always going to be key.

Jon always wanted Winterfell and be a Stark. I doubt that Jon would stand in Dany’s way legitimate or not. His legitimacy is not even that important but his blood really is all that matters, as I wrote here Targ and Stark union.

Neverthless, it would be interesting to see how, when and to whom it will be revealed. Something tells me, we’ll have to wait until season 8 for everyone to know.

Next season Rhaegar will be explained and hopefuly we’ll learn more about his relationship with Lyanna, Elia and how it went down with his plan.

Jon is not actually ice and fire he’s water that’s what you get when you mic together ice and fire together.

I have a couple of ideas why that might be important and how it relates to Dany but I don’t want to pester you all with my crack theories.

I’m seriously trying to get my head around this.

Who is going to travel with Jon? If Brienne and Davos are heading to the dragonpit, who does Jon have with him? Tormund? Other Northern lords?

And who is left in Winterfell? Littlefinger and Sansa? Maybe Lyanna Mormont?

Sue, I know you support GoT whatever happens, but surely you see that the Dany/Jon union is totally cliche- not in the context of the show, but in the context of fantasy itself. The hero and heroine uniting to defeat evil is such an overdone trope, and D&D can’t be forgiven if they revert to this in a conventional way.

It’s not a matter of “every possible outcome has been discussed before so it can’t be cliche”. It’s “this has been done so many times before in different contexts, so it’s definitely cliche, accentuated by writers and producers that claim to be original and unpredictable.

I know most of us predicted Bran would have scenes with Edd but I’m glad to get confirmation. I can’t wait to see Edd’s reaction to yet another of Jon’s siblings turning up at the Wall. I hope Meera is still with Bran when he has his scene with Edd and the NW; she’s done so much to keep Bran alive that I don’t want her to become disposable now that he’s within reach of family.

Theon and Jon meeting again after all these years (and without Robb being present) has me giddy with anticipation. They grew up as rivals who loved Robb and vyed for his attention, and Theon got to do what Jon wanted to do: go off to war by Robb’s side. Which of course Theon promptly screwed up. Theon’s twice stated that Jon will kill him if he gets the chance but Jon has never said anything of the kind. I’m dying to know if Jon will be forgiving or if the old hurts, jealousy, and need for justice & revenge will cause tension and conflict between Team Jon and Team Dany.

I actually didn’t think Jon would leave the North in S7 but this latest news is a welcome surprise. First because it gets him away from Littlefinger and Sansa (I hope) and gives him a story other than being clueless while they plot behind his back. Second, if he’s traveling to other parts of Westeros, that means he’s embracing his role as King & is seeking alliances and not relying solely on emissaries. And if he’s encountering Theon chances are he may finally meet Dany and see Tyrion again. The only thing I worry about is if he leaves Winterfell, he may miss reuniting with either Bran or Ayra. 🙁

jon is not a undead….there is no quote who shows that he is steril….book or show…he got ressurected. the counter effect is suppose act on his mental….he sleep less,lose memory,don’t eat, etc that what happen to beric after been ressurected 9 times…. if his genital parts are not damage he is can produce a child…

I’m sad he might miss Bran and Arya, but that means imo they can reunite in season 8 and will certainly be safe until then.

What if Littlefinger keeps his word to Cersei and delivers Sansa’s head on a spike while Jon is off in the south (and all because she didn’t give into his pretty little picture!

jon is not a undead….there is no quote who shows that he is steril….book or show…he got ressurected. the counter effect is supposeact on his mental….he sleep less,lose memory,don’t eat, etc that what happen to beric after been ressurected 9 times…. if his genital parts are not damage he is can produce a child…

We don’t know any of that. In the books he just died, so we don’t know the concequencds for book Jon. In the show it hasn’t been addres, but my supesition is not out of the realm of possibilities given that he was dae for at least a day. I’m not saying that he is, but there is a possibility he could be.

It’s possible after the war of dawn, people will see Jon as the best way to move forward and elect him a King or someone will push him. Tyrion? Sam did that with LC position , Lady Lyanna Mormont with KitN, as you rightly said.

One of my friends was like “Lyanna is Jon’s mom… but that means Ned and Lyanna ewww.” 😀 It might be like that for some others, because we know from the show that Lyanna is Jon’s mother. Some people thinks Robert is the dad, Aerys or even Arthur Dayne.

It might have some significance towards politics regarding Jon and Dany. That could involve it. We’ll see about this.

i don’t know how they will manage that meeting between jon and theon but the jon i know would probably cut theon’s head at the first sight or if he is in a good mood…send him to the wall….i really hope they don”t do the “good old friend meeting” there is no way that jon can forgive him….he kill his master,two innocent child (bran and rickon or not he will not let that pass,),betray his best friend, adding the fact that he was a asshole toward him….,that sansa said that theon save her will not change his opinion of him….theon himself know that jon will kill him

I expect Arya to make Littlefinger’s time in Winterfell nothing less than miserable. If he thought old sweet Jon was a threat to his plans, imagine how unsettling Arya’s arrival is gonna be for him. Poor Littlefinger… things are not looking good for him at all with Lyanna Mormont, Ghost, the Three Eyed Raven and a faceless assassin all haging out in Winterfell.

The Tower of Joy was destroyed by Ned after Lyanna’s death in the books if I remember right.

what i mean is that the damage of being ressurected are pretty clear in book or show….it affect on the mind….robert strong is a undead….his wound are still open and don’t have a head….being ressurrected heal any organs..if they are still connected on the body….

Lots of old myths have a curse of infertility that SOUNDS like no baby. Egyptian: goddess cursed w/ barreness”you will never give birth in any month in the year” but they finagled 5 extra days at the end of the year by tricking the moon. The curse sounds bad but all those things the witch said WILL come to pass. In other words… Baby coming!

is going to sound cliche when we’ve all been sitting around discussing every possibility for the last twenty years.

Most people who have read the books know that George has been setting up a meeting between Jon and Danny near the denouement of the story from the very beginning of the books. Nearly every single variation of this has been discussed at nauseam, from open armed conflict to political marriage to love at first sight to Nissa Nissa style sacrifice to the ramifications of one of them or both being Azor Ahai…

Obviously they were going to meet in the show; D&D have been setting up this since episode 1, season 1, probably taking their cues from George…

My friend always had a theory ever since ADWD. Jon is the only one capable of producing child with Dany because he was touched by magic, just like Dany. When you two talk about it, what if?

One guy on reddit also put up theory about their scenes in 6×01.

Dany said “she’ll never bear a living child until the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.” It was in that episode they showed the actual sun hovering in the east over the wall where Jon had died. |Their scenes do even follow each other. also Ghost howling, in the books she heard a wolf howling and making her feel sad and lonely.

Basically they throw that prophecy or what Mirri Maz Dur said to Dany and before they show some part of the prophecy with Jon. Like linking it together but don’t know about it.

Yes, I know Dany may not be sterile — we don’t know one way or the other. She may have miscarried a second child, or she may have simply experienced a return to a normal cycle. No one knows, Dany included, but I believe she at least thinks she is sterile — in which case, why would she propose marriage to her only other living relative (assuming they find out about his parentage, which I hope they will)? Most rulers would rather pass the throne on to a family member than some random lord they happen to like, unless their family member has qualities which would prevent him or her from being an effective ruler. Even in that case, they might still pass it on and try to minimize the damage by denoting someone else a regent of some sort.

I also don’t think that Jon’s parentage had to be Rhaegar-involved in order for it to have magical qualities. The warging, which is the only magical thing we’ve seen him do so far (and only in the books), comes from his Stark parentage. It just seems to me that an author wouldn’t create a secret lovechild of royal birth and leave him as the only living child of the former crown prince, if he wasn’t going to exploit that angle.

I love Dany and I hope she kicks Cersei’s ass from Dorne to the Wall and back again! I love Jon, too, and I think he also has great qualities that would make him a fine ruler. But… I just don’t think that both will be standing at the end of this.

If Jon goes to Dragonstone to mine dragon glass this year instead of sending a hired workforce to do that for him while he tries to make alliances with other houses / regions…. I think GoT will have lost a viewer here.

You guys really think Jon and Theon will reunite and Jon is just going to forgive him? It’s not that simple. Theon still took their home, torched those poor farm boys, killed Rodrik Cassel and Maester Luwin and God knows who else. And let’s not forget the northern houses attacked by the ironborn. If they learn that a greyjoy is around they’ll demand the king’s justice for sure and there’s nothing much that Sansa or even Jon can say in theon’s defense. I suppose it is a good thing they’ll bump into each other further south.

Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea of Arya and Littlefinger interacting but it feels like they are shoehorning her into this story.

And to take a character who has ruled her own storyline for 5 seasons and put her secondary into this storyline doesn’t sit right with me.

I mean who else is there for Arya to interact with other than these two? It just feels such a waste and that it doesn’t move Arya’s story forward at all.

Whilst I’m all for Jon getting out of this storyline, I just hate that Arya may be replacing him in it.

Thank you for sayin this. I’ve been sayin it to people who argue with me for years about cliches in this story being that we already discussed everything so much in detail. Hopefully people understand more with you saying it.

Yeah something has always told me that D&D aren’t so good at handling Arya’s storyline. And without book material to work off of, it will be a mess.

Poor Arya hasn’t had a good season since season three.

oh please….we talk about this since 1996….its not cliché just logical for jon and dany the hint coming from the books are pretty obvious that their meeting will be special and quite unique…the hints are there,the propcies are there,the parralels between are there,the contrast between are there, all of that attract those those two character to meet….if incest is the problem…..daemon marry his niece rhaenyra,brandon “one ye” stark marry his niece,tywin marry joanna his cousin etc our own history is made of incest….the egyptian and and seleucid empire used incest to keep their greek ties with alexander the great and his generals….some even married their own mothers! the imperial china also did the same…

Yep and it’s not like they don’t have a damn fine actress to work with.

I’m trying to be positive and hoping that Arya will still have her own storyline and that Littlefinger/Sansa will only be a small portion of it.

This. The reddit asoiaf subs have a similar vein of blasé comments…we forget that we the fans are our own worst enemies! ☺

Wasn’t Sansa the one who had the opportunity to execute Littlefinger last season and didn’t? Jon has more important things to do at the moment than act as her guard dog, and if Sansa’s half as shrewd as we’re supposed to think she is, she ought to be able to sniff Littlefinger’s intentions out before her head ends up on a spike, no?

Actually no, Jon was dead for less than a day. He was killed just before sunrise and resurrected just after sunset the same day. You can see beams of daylight streaming into Mel’s chambers during her “reveal” scene. I know that Occam’s Razor isn’t really this fandom’s thing, despite the fact that the obvious keeps on coming to pass, but we’ve already seen Jon eating, breathing, and producing tears. The facial scars he acquired at Hardhome have healed over the course of Season 6. It’s plainly obviously that there are no physical consequences to his resurrection, and no mental ones beyond PTSD and an existential crisis. Whatever purpose it serves in the books, they’ve already spent an entire season of the show acting like Jon merely recovered from a strong bout of the flu. He’s not shooting blanks.

I’d kill to have Jon sit the iron throne in the end only to prove himself the worst king in Westeros’ living memory. Isn’t that what George talks about? About how good men don’t necessarily make good kings and vice versa?

Why only talk about it? Why not show us? Jon makes every idiotic emotional mistake possible yet somehow still wins and gets KiTN’d – the least you can do is have him screw it up royally.

Damn, forgot about that. Now I’m worried, I hope Davos doesn’t end up as a dragon happy-meal. 🙁

Jon Snow cant do anything to Theon even if he wants, Theon is under Dany

If it were to happen, I unfortunately believe that Arya would end up overshadowed. I really hope the plotlines do not merge.

Yeah, I would hope she would be smarter than that! He is such a snake I hope it’s one of the Starks who end up getting him and I hope it’s this season 😈. I don’t want it to be Jon though I want it to be one of the girls that does it! I can’t wait for the season to start!!

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